Actually the team improved from when Gauthier took over. They went from an 8th place team to a 6th place team despite dealing with a boatload of injuries. They have also improved their 5 on 5 play, however, this season the PP has been caca.
It's actually completely false to say the team has regressed since he took the job. They had one good season under him and now one bad one.
Also he has shown that he has a different philosophy that Gainey. He's much more active and has even signed players during the year, two things Gainey wasn't.
So, 12th place in the East is actually better than last year's 6th place team because our 5 on 5 is improved.
Alrighty. I will have what you are smoking AND drinking.
Is asking for a Stanley Cup once every 18 years too much? How about 1/20. 1/25. Or am I acting like a spoiled and entitled fan?
Well, check what the average of a NHL team to win a cup is, then you can see if you're asking too much.
If it's under 18years, then no, it's not you being spoiled. But if you're going to use that to criticize current management when they've only been in place for a couple of years, you might not act like a spoiled kid, but you certainly aren't being a fair one either.
I wonder if Jersey might be looking to trade Parise now before he leaves and the Habs could put together a package. Only do it if Parise agrees to sign an extension obviously.
Kostitsyn, 2013 1st and Weber or Diaz for Parise and a 4th round pick this year.
Ahh the classic "i don't have an argument, so I attack the poster".
Defending someone because you feel he's being overly criticized is much-much different that being happy with mediocrity.
Well, I asked Whiskey 7 to prove me wrong. No reply.
So, you give it a shot. Are we on the way to playing for a Stanley Cup this season with Gauthier's leadership? And if not this year, are we poised to win it all next year with what we have in Montreal and Hamilton?
This is not attacking you personally. This is asking you for an answer regarding Gauthier and the Canadiens succeeding.
Gauthier was active in the off-season acquiring Cole, Emelin and Diaz. Were they bad moves? He didn't re-sign Hamrlik for two years or Wiz for six. He re-signed Gorges. etc. How can you say that all his moves have deteriorated the team??
Gauthier gave Jacques Martin the team that Jacques wanted and it fell apart THIS season, about a two months ago. That's it. Since then they're reeling in from bad moral, lack of on-ice success and a change in game-style. That takes time. Inpatient pundits like Tony Marianara and Mike Boone and such ignore any sort of big picture.
You can't say that the team has gotten worse when they're right in the middle of retooling it AND are devastated by injuries.
I didn't say Kaberle helps the PP, I said that he was acquired to help the PP. It was a logical move for a player who for 90% of his career was a 1st line d-man. If he's really dropped off past the point of no-return than yes, it's a bad move and should (and likely will...) be remedied. Until Kaberle plays more than ****ing 14 games we won't know. the PP rank went down because the team has been mired in a huge slump. Big surprise right?
What's your point?
My point is, Gauthier tried to build a team around speed and skill (or stick to the philosophy Gainey instilled) and it didnt work. he is contradicting himself by saying now the team needs to get bigger and score dirty goals (which is true, but it was true 10 years ago!). He tried to give this team an identity and failed. When you fail, you get fired. He is trying to instil a new identity, but so far that has landed the habs Cunneyworth as a head coach, kaberle and his atrocious contract and horrible trade (which you cant seem to admit to), and Bourque who I think could help this team. Problem is... it isn't working! the Team hasn't been this bad since the early 2000's!
And I can most definitely critique how he handles trades! Its not like Eklund or the 4th Period reported GM's telling them they had no idea cammy was available! Bob McKenzie and Pierre Lebrun both said it. And before you discredit them, they are the guys who tell us habs fans what's actually going on with the club when Gauthier is lying in media scrums.
So, 12th place in the East is actually better than last year's 6th place team because our 5 on 5 is improved.
Alrighty. I will have what you are smoking AND drinking.
So they improved, and now regressed. It's called having a bad year. God knows that doesn't happen, ever.
Going from 8th, to 6th, to 12th now, also doesn't mean ''regressing every year''.
Well, check what the average of a NHL team to win a cup is, then you can see if you're asking too much.
If it's under 18years, then no, it's not you being spoiled. But if you're going to use that to criticize current management when they've only been in place for a couple of years, you might not act like a spoiled kid, but you certainly aren't being a fair one either.
Average. Medium. Middle of the pack. Mediocre.
Its what we have been saying all along. Some accept that. I dont.
Am I the only one who sees a core group with the Habs and thinks they could be perennial cup contenders for the next decade or so if the cards get played right?
Price, Eller, Pacioretty, Subban, Emelin that's my core group of 5 right now.
Then you have Tinnordi, Beaulieau, Leblanc and Gallagher as 4 guys who look like they could be very solid NHL'ers.
Gionta is the captain.
Lots of cap space depending on Gomez/Kaberle/Markov situations.
Kaberle is very tradeable, anyone who says otherwise is just trolling. And he's a good asset to have for the next couple of years as well. If Diaz could end up like a Kaberle we'd all be ecstastic.
And I can most definitely critique how he handles trades! Its not like Eklund or the 4th Period reported GM's telling them they had no idea cammy was available! Bob McKenzie and Pierre Lebrun both said it. And before you discredit them, they are the guys who tell us habs fans what's actually going on with the club when Gauthier is lying in media scrums.
Lebrun and McKenzie also said the same things in regards to the Neal, Richards, Carter, Phaneuf and Pronger trades. So all these GMs are dumb for not truly testing the market though they got what appears to be good trades at the time?
So they improved, and now regressed. It's called having a bad year. God knows that doesn't happen, ever.
Going from 8th, to 6th, to 12th now, also doesn't mean ''regressing every year''.
One series away from reaching the Stanley Cup Finals.
Eliminated in the first round.
Not making the playoffs.
That is the perfect definition of regression. Regular seasons are just the launching pad of an entire season in perspective.
The NHL is not kindengarden, Gm aren't payed to try, they are payed to succeed. Gauthier as been a miserable failure, and so did Gainey who he was the right hand.
So they improved, and now regressed. It's called having a bad year. God knows that doesn't happen, ever.
Going from 8th, to 6th, to 12th now, also doesn't mean ''regressing every year''.
8th 6th 12th - it means no contention
those are not good numbers
So they improved, and now regressed. It's called having a bad year. God knows that doesn't happen, ever.
Going from 8th, to 6th, to 12th now, also doesn't mean ''regressing every year''.
I dont think many people understand the spiral Habs are in...
The Oilers went to the cup finals in 2005-06 with a better team than Habs have now..
End of year shipped guy's out,like Gauthier is about to do now.
Oilers had a bad year the next year in 2006-07....
Have not made playoffs for 6 YEARS in a row..last time was the cup final
Lebrun and McKenzie also said the same things in regards to the Neal, Richards, Carter, Phaneuf and Pronger trades. So all these GMs are dumb for not truly testing the market though they got what appears to be good trades at the time?
Funny how alot of those trades turned out to be one sided
One series away from reaching the Stanley Cup Finals.
Eliminated in the first round.
Not making the playoffs.
That is the perfect definition of regression. Regular seasons are just the launching pad of an entire season in perspective.
We arent improving.
Ah, so the measuring stick needs to be the POs for that, because obviously it serves your argument better.
No heroic performance, no Markov, no Gorges, no MaxPac, injuries to DD and Halpern, all things that one cannot blame the GM for, but that's also not worthy of mention. When you lose, you lose, doesn't matter if you have Detroit's roster, or NYI's.
Does't matter if you're missing 2-3-5 players, or none.
I don't think that is what he said. He said that to suggest a regression since Gauthier took the team over is false.
well hows it look?? Gauthier will hopefully be gone after this season same withh gainey
and same with the coaches -this management team has hadtime and it hasnt worked out
its time after this season for realchange-- it happens-- too many fired coaches-- now time for those higher ups to be dispatched
My point is, Gauthier tried to build a team around speed and skill (or stick to the philosophy Gainey instilled) and it didnt work. he is contradicting himself by saying now the team needs to get bigger and score dirty goals (which is true, but it was true 10 years ago!). He tried to give this team an identity and failed. When you fail, you get fired. He is trying to instil a new identity, but so far that has landed the habs Cunneyworth as a head coach, kaberle and his atrocious contract and horrible trade (which you cant seem to admit to), and Bourque who I think could help this team. Problem is... it isn't working! the Team hasn't been this bad since the early 2000's!
And I can most definitely critique how he handles trades! Its not like Eklund or the 4th Period reported GM's telling them they had no idea cammy was available! Bob McKenzie and Pierre Lebrun both said it. And before you discredit them, they are the guys who tell us habs fans what's actually going on with the club when Gauthier is lying in media scrums.
Your premises are incorrect, therefore your arguments are incorrect. But maybe we can come to an agreement by the end of this (or until I get banned for cursing out the retard convention in this thread)
Gauthier built this team on his and his coach's philosophy. Speed and skill, a good PP and great goaltending. Right? Right.
His coach failed so Goat is re-tooling the team. So far so good, I'm not making any presumptions right? Right .
Cunney is an interim coach. Many teams promote assistants mid-season especially after disasters, this is no different. Goat didn't "land him" at all, he was already on the opening day roster.
Kaberle, I'll repeat my points: He should be given more than 14 ****ing games before he's deemed atrocious. He has a great ppg clip so far anyway as an offensive d-man, not that it matters because YES he is playing poorly and not up to par. That said, almost no one on the team (other than Cole, DD, Moen and Gorges) is playing any kind of good hockey or better than last year so it's unfair to focus on only Kaberle. His contract is on the high end but the trade is not atrocious at all. Spacek had ZERO value compared to Kaberle, who was just 6 months prior traded for a king's ransom.
This team is bad because they fell apart due to the former coach. They're in the process of remedying it now and it takes some time, especially to undo the terrible offensive structure in place.
Critique Goat's antics all you want, I'm just saying that most GMs lie and cheat but only Goat gets heat for it because there's so much more attention here.
Holmgren said Carter isn't up for trade at the draft and then traded him before his NTC took hold or his contract extension, this is a HUGE lie but no one shat on Holmgren did they?
