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01-15-2012, 06:03 PM
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Just sayin he hasn't scored 40 points yet, that's all.
I guess Stewart isnt a 30 goal scorer either since his highest is 28.

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01-15-2012, 06:04 PM
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The 39 was when he played 79 games and the 33 was in 69 and over an 82 game pace would've put him at 39 points, still not 40.
I'd like to know how did you came up that (39/79)*82 doesn't equate up to 40.481.

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01-15-2012, 06:04 PM
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I guess Stewart isnt a 30 goal scorer either since his highest is 28.
He isn't, I know.

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01-15-2012, 06:06 PM
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I'd like to know how did you came up that (39/79)*82 doesn't equate up to 40.481.
I was using the 33 points in 69 games. 79 games is essentially a full season to me.

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Hey don't paint us all with that brush! lol
You're right, its not all Blues fans. There are some good ones who are very reasonable.

However it seems the majority are very bitter towards EJ. I get that he was a 1st overall for you guys but can't you just let that go. It didnt quite work out for him in St. Louis, you guys got what u guys wanted in Stewart and Shatty, we got what we needed in EJ, JMac and Siemens, lets just move on.

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He isn't, I know.
Why do Blues fans hijack every EJ thread? I know it's an open board but could you please just get out?

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01-15-2012, 06:07 PM
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But back to the original topic, I would expect JVR to cost something very similar to Johnson.

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01-15-2012, 06:08 PM
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I was using the 33 points in 69 games. 79 games is essentially a full season to me.
You're priceless, thanks for making me laugh.

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01-15-2012, 06:08 PM
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Why do Blues fans hijack every EJ thread? I know it's an open board but could you please just get out?
Well the title does have the Blues in it...

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01-15-2012, 06:10 PM
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I disagree with the bolded, and that's essentially what causes the divide in opinion. At what point do you stop the valuation based on draft position and base it on play?
I just read through my response and noticed I didn't answer your question. I don't know that your draft position ever really fades away. How often do you hear people mention that, "he was a former 1st rounder?" So, to answer the question, I do not know.

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I disagree with the bolded, and that's essentially what causes the divide in opinion. At what point do you stop the valuation based on draft position and base it on play?
James van Riemsdyk finished last year with 8 points in his final 10 games, which he followed up with 7 goals and 70 shots in 11 playoff games.

This year, he started the season with 16 points in 20 games until he missed four games with a mysterious upper body injury. In his return he struggled greatly, with only 6 points in 17 games, until a concussion knocked him out indefinitely recently.

His torrid start to the season combined with last years hot finish is arguably better than any stretch of Erik Johnson's career.

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01-15-2012, 06:13 PM
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Well the title does have the Blues in it...
Your welcome to comment on that trade, be my guest, but please, just stay out of all EJ discussion. Apparently Blues fans(by that I mean you and a few others) can't get over the fact that EJ was the #1 pick and never turned out as hoped, and now your all really bitter upwards him. Can't you just give it up? Stop coming in these threads and badmouthing him.

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James van Riemsdyk finished last year with 8 points in his final 10 games, which he followed up with 7 goals and 70 shots in 11 playoff games.

This year, he started the season with 16 points in 20 games until he missed four games with a mysterious upper body injury. In his return he struggled greatly, with only 6 points in 17 games, until a concussion knocked him out indefinitely recently.

His torrid start to the season combined with last years hot finish is arguably better than any stretch of Erik Johnson's career.
Which is why I brought up EJ. JVR will cost roughly as much as Johnson did.

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Which is why I brought up EJ. JVR will cost roughly as much as Johnson did.
Exactly. This exact Quincey for JVR trade was made a couple months ago, Flyers fans vehemently said it wasn't enough.

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01-15-2012, 06:16 PM
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Your welcome to comment on that trade, be my guest, but please, just stay out of all EJ discussion. Apparently Blues fans(by that I mean you and a few others) can't get over the fact that EJ was the #1 pick and never turned out as hoped, and now your all really bitter upwards him. Can't you just give it up? Stop coming in these threads and badmouthing him.
I never brought up that trade and I don't want to. Notice I didn't mention the players that we got and I didn't bash Johnson either. All I said is that EJ hasn't reached a milestone yet, something that I expect him to reach. I was using Johnson to say that JVR will cost a significant amount. Top picks like EJ and JVR that might be slower to develop than other top 3 picks still have a high cost to acquire them.

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01-15-2012, 06:34 PM
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Which is why I brought up EJ. JVR will cost roughly as much as Johnson did.
I would have to disagree. Johnson has franchise player potential. JVR is skilled but he is not the type of player you would build around. When Colorado traded for Johnson they were paying for that potential. I think the Turris deal is a better example to use to gauge JVR's value.

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JVR will go for less than Johnson, and Stastny will go for less than the Blues' proposed deal. I'm all for letting go of Berglund to get him, but Schwartz won't be included.

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I would have to disagree. Johnson has franchise player potential. JVR is skilled but he is not the type of player you would build around. When Colorado traded for Johnson they were paying for that potential. I think the Turris deal is a better example to use to gauge JVR's value.
But those situations are completely different because Phoenix pretty much had to trade Turris at some point. JVR's production has also been significantly better than Turris'

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You're right, its not all Blues fans. There are some good ones who are very reasonable.

However it seems the majority are very bitter towards EJ. I get that he was a 1st overall for you guys but can't you just let that go. It didnt quite work out for him in St. Louis, you guys got what u guys wanted in Stewart and Shatty, we got what we needed in EJ, JMac and Siemens, lets just move on.
Agreed.

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I never brought up that trade and I don't want to. Notice I didn't mention the players that we got and I didn't bash Johnson either. All I said is that EJ hasn't reached a milestone yet, something that I expect him to reach. I was using Johnson to say that JVR will cost a significant amount. Top picks like EJ and JVR that might be slow
er to develop than other top 3 picks still have a high cost to acquire them.
JVRs career high is 40 points. EJs is 39. I'm not the kind of person
who just uses stats to judge a players value but it can't be denied that one of them is a defensman and one is not. EJ is capable of being a #1 defensman, the kind
your build around, JVR isn't the kind of guy who build around. IMO saying the EJ trade is what it'll cost to get JVR is wrong. Their value is quite far off.

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Why do some blues fans see a need to comment on EJ. He still has the ability to be a number 1 defenseman. Some St Louis fans forget how bad Pronger was his first couple seasons in St Louis. I remeber going to games where dans heckled Pronger. EJ is still young. He missed a year of developement due to the knee injury.

colorado paid a big price to get EJ they are allowed to wait a couple years to develope. Hes not available from colorado. Some of my fellow blues fans cant grasp the concept players develope at different paces. It pays to be patient with young players.

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JVRs career high is 40 points. EJs is 39. I'm not the kind of person
who just uses stats to judge a players value but it can't be denied that one of them is a defensman and one is not. EJ is capable of being a #1 defensman, the kind
your build around, JVR isn't the kind of guy who build around. IMO saying the EJ trade is what it'll cost to get JVR is wrong. Their value is quite far off.
He also had 7 goals in 11 playoff games. Giroux, Carter, and Richards had a combined 3. That combined with his potential makes for high trade value.

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Why do some blues fans see a need to comment on EJ. He still has the ability to be a number 1 defenseman. Some St Louis fans forget how bad Pronger was his first couple seasons in St Louis. I remeber going to games where dans heckled Pronger. EJ is still young. He missed a year of developement due to the knee injury.

colorado paid a big price to get EJ they are allowed to wait a couple years to develope. Hes not available from colorado. Some of my fellow blues fans cant grasp the concept players develope at different paces. It pays to be patient with young players.
I agree with all of this and I'm not bashing Johnson at all. I really do hope Johnson reaches his potential. I was only using Johnson as an example to show that JVR would have high trade value, my mistake.

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I apologize if anyone took my comments about Johnson the wrong way. I am not bitter about him and I really do hope he realizes his full potential.

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I agree with all of this and I'm not bashing Johnson at all. I really do hope Johnson reaches his potential. I was only using Johnson as an example to show that JVR would have high trade value, my mistake.
As an Avs fan I agree. JVR like EJ, are definitely not players you trade away (unless the package is really good) until you give them more time.

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