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Anaheim Scouting Nashville (R.Suter, C.Wilson, G.Bourque and S.Kostitsyn)

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01-16-2012, 01:11 AM
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We have Schultz who is the best defensemen in the NCAA, and arguably the best player period.

Then we have Vatanen who is the reigning "Norris" trophy winner of Finalnd. He was on his way to winning back to back this year but he was hurt which may prevent that.

The problem is that we have no physical shutdown guys coming.

Centers and Shutdown guys are the weakness of the Ducks organization.

well, we really don't have a shutdown guy either, but we have several top notch prospects who are ready for NHL action right now and have 1st pair potential.

Wilson was a center in college but has played wing for the most part up here.

My guess is if a deal goes down its Wilson, Borque, one of our D prospects, and a 1st for Ryan.

Preds fans will say its too much but we only get by with less if there isn't a bidding war

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Somebody tell me about suter i know he's a good passer but thats about it from what i know Weber would be a better fit.Also what about

Wilson
Suter(unextended)
2 conditional 1st (Suter doesnt resign)

Bobby Ryan
Lubomir Visnovsky


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Somebody tell me about suter i know he's a good passer but thats about it from what i know Weber would be a better fit.Also what about

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Suter(unextended)

Bobby Ryan
Lubomir Visnovsky
Why in the **** would the Ducks do this? Sutter doesnt resign and it destroys us.

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Why in the **** would the Ducks do this? Sutter doesnt resign and it destroys us.

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Why in the **** would the Ducks do this? Sutter doesnt resign and it destroys us.

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Somebody tell me about suter i know he's a good passer but thats about it from what i know Weber would be a better fit.Also what about

Wilson
Suter(unextended)
2 conditional 1st (Suter doesnt resign)

Bobby Ryan
Lubomir Visnovsky
Why do we do this? It's January. I'd be more than willing to take the risk of getting outbid if we just offer Lubo for Suter + conditional picks. If the offers in previous years are any indication of what the competing bids would be, then we may be offering them the best quality for their situation.

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I take offense to Blum and Wilson considered fair value for Ryan. I'd take one of the many Toronto deals over that. Hell...I'll take JVR+Schenn over that.
I wouldnt. I still think our #1 need is a center. Someone other then Holland who is top 6 potential.

JVR+Schenn would not happen. I woudl take that if it was on the table but I doubt it ever would be.

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I wouldnt. I still think our #1 need is a center. Someone other then Holland who is top 6 potential.

JVR+Schenn would not happen. I woudl take that if it was on the table but I doubt it ever would be.
I thought Wilson was playing wing these days.

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From what I heard he played center his whole life. IDK

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Whats suters game like i know he is a good passer but thats it

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From what I heard he played center his whole life. IDK
Craig Smith would be a good candidate for 2C. He was a demon at the WCs last year. I don't think Nashville would consider trading him. It probably doesn't matter, at this point I think Getz and Ryan have made their way out of the dog house.

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Whats suters game like i know he is a good passer but thats it
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I really don't see Nashville selling a key player at the deadline, UFA or not. The team right now is strong enough to win a cup if Rinne turns in one of those "hot playoff goalie" performances (think JSG, Halak, or Ward). Do Nashville fans see their chances at a cup growing or declining over the next couple seasons? I'm really not familiar with their development.

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I really don't see Nashville selling a key player at the deadline, UFA or not. The team right now is strong enough to win a cup if Rinne turns in one of those "hot playoff goalie" performances (think JSG, Halak, or Ward). Do Nashville fans see their chances at a cup growing or declining over the next couple seasons? I'm really not familiar with their development.
Nah, you need at least 1 great F, but then you have a better chance than lot of here thinks imo. Preds could do really big damage in PO`s.

But that doesnt change the fact that i hate them.

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But they could trade prospects/picks at the deadline to pick up a top six forward and take a good run at the cup. Trading Suter seems like a step in the wrong direction unless they see their best chance at the cup coming a season or two down the road.

Elite defense and goaltending. Strong forward depth. With one or two top-line forwards, the preds put me in mind of Anaheim's cup-winning team.


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But they could trade prospects/picks at the deadline to pick up a top six forward and take a good run at the cup. Trading Suter seems like a step in the wrong direction unless they see their best chance at the cup coming a season or two down the road.
I doubt Suter would pull someone that's ready to play in the top six. If past trades are any indication of what you'd get, he'll return a secondary piece or two and some futures with mixed value. That's why I expect Nashville to hold on to him for a playoff run, and maybe pick up a rental or two.

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But they could trade prospects/picks at the deadline to pick up a top six forward and take a good run at the cup. Trading Suter seems like a step in the wrong direction unless they see their best chance at the cup coming a season or two down the road.

Elite defense and goaltending. Strong forward depth. With one or two top-line forwards, the preds put me in mind of Anaheim's cup-winning team.
Exaxtly, with right moves at the deadline, they can become really dangerous team with not loosing their core pieces.

But even with one or two top6 forwards added, they wont have ''Pahlsson'' line, but they do have some great defensive forwards, so, they still could make it further than 2nd round this year.

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I really don't see Nashville selling a key player at the deadline, UFA or not. The team right now is strong enough to win a cup if Rinne turns in one of those "hot playoff goalie" performances (think JSG, Halak, or Ward). Do Nashville fans see their chances at a cup growing or declining over the next couple seasons? I'm really not familiar with their development.
growing. numerous youngsters on an upward arc. Assuming they re-sign, the leagues top defensive pair. Elite goalie capable of carrying the team for long stretches. All that really appears to be missing is a reliable goal scoring forward, which would be Ryan.

Its a crapshoot s to whether we would trade Suter if he isn't re-signed by the deadline. the way we are playing now it looks like we could make a decent run this year even without an upgrade at forward so I am inclined to think we keep him.


Personally I think you guys would be nuts to trade for him without knowing if he would extend with you... as someone mentioned earlier in the thread if he leaves Nashville it won't be because we won't pay him, it will be because he thinks he has a better shot at a Cup elsewhere, and given the current state of your team I can't imagine that he looks at the whole NHL and picks Anaheim as his best shot at a Cup(no offense intended)... the hypothetical that gives us Preds fans nightmares is he is signed to fill Lidstroms slot in Detroit...

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They have the same build and style except the 07 Ducks were better in every part of the game on paper and on the ice.

Offense: Ducks by a long shot

Defense: The Ducks top 3 were better then the Preds top 3 but the Preds have better depth.

Goalies: Even, except I will give the nod to the Con Smyth winner.

X factor: Pahlsson line

Has there ever been a better shutdown line?

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Exaxtly, with right moves at the deadline, they can become really dangerous team with not loosing their core pieces.

But even with one or two top6 forwards added, they wont have ''Pahlsson'' line, but they do have some great defensive forwards, so, they still could make it further than 2nd round this year.
Im not familiar with what you mean by a "Pahlsson line"..if you mean a line of supposed grinders who end up playing solid defense and providing timely secondary scoring, we actually have that right now. The Spaling-Tootoo-Borque(formerly Wilson) has been our most consistent line for about 3 weeks now...

edit: I see above what you mean. we don't have a single shutdown line... pretty much every Preds line is defensively responsible, but can also score

and as much as it may be heresy, I think Suter and Weber now are as good as Pronger/Neids then...

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They have the same build and style except the 07 Ducks were better in every part of the game on paper and on the ice.

Offense: Ducks by a long shot

Defense: The Ducks top 3 were better then the Preds top 3 but the Preds have better depth.

Goalies: Even, except I will give the nod to the Con Smyth winner.

X factor: Pahlsson line

Has there ever been a better shutdown line?

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Looking back that team was dreamy

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They have the same build and style except the 07 Ducks were better in every part of the game on paper and on the ice.

Offense: Ducks by a long shot

Defense: The Ducks top 3 were better then the Preds top 3 but the Preds have better depth.

Goalies: Even, except I will give the nod to the Con Smyth winner.

X factor: Pahlsson line

Has there ever been a better shutdown line?

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Guigerre won the Conn Smythe in 03. His performance in 07 was very good but a Conn Smythe performance out of Rinne (far from a sure thing but everyone knows he's capable of it) would offset the difference in strength between the forward groups. Nashville won't have Neidermeyer with the puck on his stick for the entire playoffs but they'll still have perhaps the two best defensemen (debatable, I know, but certainly plausible) in the league forming their top pairing. If they think they're losing either one of those guys they'd better take their shot at the cup this year.

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and as much as it may be heresy, I think Suter and Weber now are as good as Pronger/Neids then...
Neidermeyer was phenomenal that year. Weber is easily comparable to Pronger but Suter's game is so different to Neidermeyer's that it's tough to say. I don't know if having an elite positional player as opposed to an elite creative player would work in their favor or against them.


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Personally I think you guys would be nuts to trade for him without knowing if he would extend with you... as someone mentioned earlier in the thread if he leaves Nashville it won't be because we won't pay him, it will be because he thinks he has a better shot at a Cup elsewhere, and given the current state of your team I can't imagine that he looks at the whole NHL and picks Anaheim as his best shot at a Cup(no offense intended)... the hypothetical that gives us Preds fans nightmares is he is signed to fill Lidstroms slot in Detroit...
We wouldn't trade for Suter unless he told your GM that we're a destination he'd like to land in, and this was the best opportunity to find a decent return; which is doubtful. Even if that was the case, I don't see Ryan as the bargaining chip.

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Im not familiar with what you mean by a "Pahlsson line"..if you mean a line of supposed grinders who end up playing solid defense and providing timely secondary scoring, we actually have that right now. The Spaling-Tootoo-Borque(formerly Wilson) has been our most consistent line for about 3 weeks now...

edit: I see above what you mean. we don't have a single shutdown line... pretty much every Preds line is defensively responsible, but can also score

and as much as it may be heresy, I think Suter and Weber now are as good as Pronger/Neids then...
Kind of a stretch. They both played more minutes and had more points while NOT playing together. That is a big deal to me. They played 28 minutes a night while covering for mistakes from Beauchemin and O'Donnell.

Did I mention they finished #2 and #3 in Norris voting that year, once again while not playing together like Suter and Weber do.

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Suter-Weber are gonna be just as good if not better for a long time. I just dont understand why they always play together. having 50 minutes a night of atleast 1 on the ice would be insane for other teams.

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Guigerre won the Conn Smythe in 03. His performance in 07 was very good but a Conn Smythe performance out of Rinne (far from a sure thing but everyone knows he's capable of it) would offset the difference in strength between the forward groups. I see the preds trying to make a move this year because they very well may lose their top pairing defenders soon and we're not yet sure if the younger players will be able to pick up the slack.
I'm aware of the year I was there both years

But would you say you would take Giroux over Malkin in the playoffs? They are both great players but Malkin has been there done that. Even if it was a few years back.

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