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01-14-2012, 11:23 PM
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01-14-2012, 11:26 PM
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I guess this thread is some kind of joke?

But if there's any serious-ness to it at all, for anyone, let's just remember we're ravaged by injuries here. How long do you think Connolly would've lasted?

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01-14-2012, 11:32 PM
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im completely serious. maybe you don't understand it because you see the name connolly. or maybe you dont get it because you are sam.

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01-14-2012, 11:35 PM
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what connolly brought

an ability to move the puck quickly and accurately
the vision to move an offense from defense, through neutral zone, to offense

im not talking about health, or points, or anything other then the fact that this team is inept at sustaining offense because it's neutral zone game is atrocious. and they don't have the ability to do anything other then forecheck in the offensive zone.

they miss what tim connolly brought... i didn't say they NEED tim connolly specifically, they need what he brought.

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01-14-2012, 11:37 PM
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Oh, so the Sabres need players that play hockey better?

COol.

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01-14-2012, 11:39 PM
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Roy brings the same things Connolly did the second half of last season. Their neutral zone game being atrocious is way more systematic than personnel related.

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01-14-2012, 11:44 PM
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Roy brings the same things Connolly did the second half of last season. Their neutral zone game being atrocious is way more systematic than personnel related.
i would disagree with that 110%. the extra 10% to emphasize how wrong you are.

there is almost nothing similar between the way those 2 handle the puck, play in transition, offensive facilitation, or ozone awareness

that's just a baffling statement



their neutral zone transition is a systematic failure, i agree. atleast in the past they had a play who could over come it's poor design with a certain skill set.

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01-14-2012, 11:57 PM
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I think there's a lot different between the specifics of their styles of play, but I think each guy was equally effective in terms of being an asset in transition.

Offensive zone stylings are a completely different story, but my post had more to do with you talking about transition games anyway.

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01-15-2012, 12:28 AM
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This team brings the same thing Tim Connolly brought.

A roster spot to fill because he wasn't on the ice.

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01-15-2012, 12:30 AM
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Don't bother trying to Argue anything good about Connolly, people don't think rationally and just spout off ignorant hateful messages.

I was the most vocal supporter of Connolly, and we sure could use his elite pk skills and decent playmaking abilities...
I agree complete, he certainly was better then Leino...

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01-15-2012, 01:02 AM
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what connolly brought

an ability to move the puck quickly and accurately
If I recall correctly last year Conolley was a turn over machine.... and sadly he'd still not even be on the same level as our defense this year

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01-15-2012, 01:04 AM
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I agree complete, he certainly was better then Leino...
After thought now.... My biggest problem isn't that they took a risk with Leino.... it's that the gave him more than a 3 year contract. They couldn't even trade him if they tried ( unless maybe Gomez )

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Laughing. Not going to waste my time.

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01-15-2012, 07:35 AM
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Laughing.
Agreed. (But I'll waste my time)

The only thing Connolly would add to this team right now is center depth.

This team is already filled with unmotivated, passionless players. This team would not be better with Connolly on it.


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01-15-2012, 09:11 AM
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Why do posters argue, or waste time dissecting differences between players and who would be better, etc? This season has made it abundantly clear, given parts of the last few seasons as well, that Lindy Ruff employs a system that other teams are well prepared for and that his players don't believe in anymore. I think the roster is tired of trying to make the most out of a failed system. I think they're tired of Ruff hammering on them like they're a bunch of bad kids, when they know they could play better under a different style. Why are they flat all the time? Why do young players level off instead of progress? Why do FAs come here and disappoint when they produced elsewhere? We shouldn't be nitpicking over individual players, when ALL of them are destined for failure under their coach.

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01-15-2012, 10:34 AM
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if i titled the thread... "this team needs a top 6 playmaking center, who can effectively move a team through the neutral zone, create transition opportunities, and sustain some sort of offense"... then everyone would have agreed... but use Tim Connolly's name and Sabres fans become all sorts of irrational and stupid

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01-15-2012, 10:37 AM
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if i titled the thread... "this team needs a top 6 playmaking center, who can effectively move a team through the neutral zone, create transition opportunities, and sustain some sort of offense"... then everyone would have agreed... but use Tim Connolly's name and Sabres fans become all sorts of irrational and stupid
But Tim Connolly never brought those things with any consistency for the past half dozen seasons. Is it irrational to point out how TC would go a dozen games without so much as contributing an assist?

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01-15-2012, 10:40 AM
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But Tim Connolly never brought those things with any consistency for the past half dozen seasons. Is it irrational to point out how TC would go a dozen games without so much as contributing an assist?
im not talking about scoring.

tim connolly brought the things i mentioned consistently

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01-15-2012, 10:51 AM
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im not talking about scoring.

tim connolly brought the things i mentioned consistently
I'm not sure what you mean then by "sustain some sort of offense."

Can you have offense without scoring?

Also, our special teams play is right around where it was when TC was on board. Our PK is a little lower, our PP a little higher; in short, nothing really remarkable has changed.

And let's not forget some other things TC brought: lack of physical play, an ability to cower during critical moments, failure to generate steady offense, etc. Basically all the things we still suffer from today.

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01-15-2012, 11:16 AM
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I'm not sure what you mean then by "sustain some sort of offense."

Can you have offense without scoring?
Yes. Meaning the puck actually gets in and stays in the offensive zone for more than five seconds at a time. Getting a cycle going, generating scoring chances by making good passes, taking shots that create rebounds...I could go on, but I feel like I'm letting the trolls win by posting at all.

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01-15-2012, 11:32 AM
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if i titled the thread... "this team needs a top 6 playmaking center, who can effectively move a team through the neutral zone, create transition opportunities, and sustain some sort of offense"... then everyone would have agreed... but use Tim Connolly's name and Sabres fans become all sorts of irrational and stupid
Because Connolly was here and didn't improve the team, and he can't be depended on to do the things you mention in this description.

I honestly thought this thread might be about blow earlier. And really, I think we might be better off giving a few of these guys a bump or two before the game than bringing back TC.

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01-15-2012, 11:39 AM
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im not talking about scoring.

tim connolly brought the things i mentioned consistently
I disagree.

TC brought them more consistently than the guys that they have today. But, that wouldn't rise to the level of what I would call consistently.

It's like looking at an F student and wishing that they were a D student.

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01-15-2012, 12:02 PM
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If we had Connolly we'd have more lost Man Games and possibly a couple more points down the middle. You can't honestly tell me if we had Connolly we be doing significantly better than we are now, even remotely better
Not saying I want but we would have better record with him. No question. But he'll never take you to next level. Can't compete in playoffs, gets soft points. We don't have people who get ANY points.

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01-15-2012, 12:23 PM
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I'm not sure what you mean then by "sustain some sort of offense."

Can you have offense without scoring?

Also, our special teams play is right around where it was when TC was on board. Our PK is a little lower, our PP a little higher; in short, nothing really remarkable has changed.

And let's not forget some other things TC brought: lack of physical play, an ability to cower during critical moments, failure to generate steady offense, etc. Basically all the things we still suffer from today.
uh... yes.

was that a real question?

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The premise of the thread is true. That said, I still wouldn't want Connolly back. They did, however, fail to replace him adequately. The jury's still out on what Leino will ultimately provide this team, but if Lindy isn't going to try him at center again they really didn't replace the gap left by Timmy at all.

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