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01-15-2012, 01:04 PM
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Blame the fact that Darcy thinks that anyone in the NHL can play center.
Darcy or Lindy????

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01-15-2012, 01:27 PM
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if i titled the thread... "this team needs a top 6 playmaking center, who can effectively move a team through the neutral zone, create transition opportunities, and sustain some sort of offense"... then everyone would have agreed... but use Tim Connolly's name and Sabres fans become all sorts of irrational and stupid
You really think Connolly provided all of that?

We absolutely do need a top six center. Not Tim Connolly, a guy who wore out his welcome here seasons ago.

Tim Connolly would not make us a better team this season.

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01-15-2012, 01:32 PM
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uh... yes.

was that a real question?
Is that a real question?

I didn't know that "offense" and "scoring" were two distant concepts, but thanks for making that little nuance clear.

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01-15-2012, 01:37 PM
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Is that a real question?

I didn't know that "offense" and "scoring" were two distant concepts, but thanks for making that little nuance clear.
They are...

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01-15-2012, 01:44 PM
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They are...
No, they are not. Now go find me one definition of "offense" in relation to sports that doesn't include "scoring."

**** it, I'll do it myself:

From the free online dicitonary:

5. (fns) Sports
a. The means or tactics used in attempting to score.
b. A team in possession of the ball or puck, or those players whose primary duty is to attempt to score.
c. Scoring ability or potential.


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In sports, offense or offence (see American and British English spelling differences; pronounced with first-syllable stress), also known as attack, is the action of attacking or engaging an opposing team with the objective of scoring points or goals

And those are just my first two hits...

Whatever. This is shaping up to be a real stupid conversation. I mean, no offense to sba or Jame, but I humbly bow out of this semantic pissing match.

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01-15-2012, 02:33 PM
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What they need is Roy to get back to the player he was pre-quad injury and Miller back to where he normally is (and I'm not talking about his Vezina season).


-Since Roy became our #1 center after the captains left his numbers (prior to this season). 275gms 96g 255pts. Thats roughly a 29g 76pts production level. He is currently on a 16g 48pt pace which is no where near his usual levels.

-Miller's career save % is .914 and career gaa is 2.59. He has been hovering around .903 or so and 3.00 this year.

Neither Roy nor Miller are playing near the levels they are not only capable of but usually play at.

I doubt the haters of Roy or Miller will admit the above since they are too busy enjoying their bad seasons.



Leino not being good enough this year is certainly an issue. But Leino not replacing Connolly is not an issue IMO. Hecht was going to be the center for Vanek/Pommer and Roy would have been the other top 6 center coming into this season.

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01-15-2012, 06:35 PM
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Penciling in Hecht at the 1st line center is a freaking mistake, too!

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Penciling in Hecht at the 1st line center is a freaking mistake, too!
It has been "insert ______ here at center between tv and Poms" all year. Hecht isn't really THE guy.

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01-15-2012, 06:51 PM
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It has been "insert ______ here at center between tv and Poms" all year. Hecht isn't really THE guy.
The post previous said that Hecht between V&P was the plan all off season.


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01-15-2012, 09:30 PM
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No, they are not. Now go find me one definition of "offense" in relation to sports that doesn't include "scoring."

**** it, I'll do it myself:

From the free online dicitonary:

5. (fns) Sports
a. The means or tactics used in attempting to score.
b. A team in possession of the ball or puck, or those players whose primary duty is to attempt to score.
c. Scoring ability or potential.


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In sports, offense or offence (see American and British English spelling differences; pronounced with first-syllable stress), also known as attack, is the action of attacking or engaging an opposing team with the objective of scoring points or goals

And those are just my first two hits...

Whatever. This is shaping up to be a real stupid conversation. I mean, no offense to sba or Jame, but I humbly bow out of this semantic pissing match.
hey maybe use that cool dictionary thing to look up the definition of "attempt" and "objective"

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Amazing that after severe injuries two players seem to be underperforming.

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01-15-2012, 10:16 PM
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hey maybe use that cool dictionary thing to look up the definition of "attempt" and "objective"
Should I do that before or after I look up "fail," "convey," and "point"?

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Should I do that before or after I look up "fail," "convey," and "point"?
probably before... before you make yourself look any sillier

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Question: Do own goals count as defensive or offensive scoring?

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it's true...we'd be better this year if we had connolly. he's putting up better numbers than roy.

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01-16-2012, 08:31 AM
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probably before... before you make yourself look any sillier
...says the man defending the "contributions" of Tim Connolly.

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Roy brings the same things Connolly did the second half of last season. Their neutral zone game being atrocious is way more systematic than personnel related.
If you talked about 1st half ok he played bad but 2nd half ??? He averaged about a point per game and was part of the great run that put them in the playoffs.

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01-17-2012, 11:15 AM
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...says the man defending the "contributions" of Tim Connolly.
At least Tim Connolly gave the Sabres the look of actually having a #1 line. Only Luke Adam has been able to fill that void, and he's not allowed to play center anymore.

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If you truly feel Connolly would fix the teams problems, then you really have no grasp of what the issues are on the team. It's an issue of character and chemistry. Connolly provides neither of these. If anything, the team needs some addition by subtraction at this point.

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01-17-2012, 11:56 AM
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If you truly feel Connolly would fix the teams problems, then you really have no grasp of what the issues are on the team. It's an issue of character and chemistry. Connolly provides neither of these. If anything, the team needs some addition by subtraction at this point.
from the personality side/character side.. you are absolutely right.

from the talent/skill/ability side, this team lacks forwards who can play the system. All you have to do is watch 60 minutes of the team's ineptitude at moving the puck through the neutral zone to see that.

WHAT HE BROUGHT....

is everyone on drugs? why is it so hard to understand that I see a skill set that a certain player brought to the lineup, and can understand that the team misses that skill set, and has/had no one to replace it.

THE TEAM NEEDS A PLAYMAKING/PUCK POSSESSION CENTER

Go whoopee yourselves

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If you talked about 1st half ok he played bad but 2nd half ??? He averaged about a point per game and was part of the great run that put them in the playoffs.
He played at a 53 point pace from July 1st to the end of the season. Don't kid yourself.

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Connolly wasn't a puck possession center.

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from the personality side/character side.. you are absolutely right.

from the talent/skill/ability side, this team lacks forwards who can play the system. All you have to do is watch 60 minutes of the team's ineptitude at moving the puck through the neutral zone to see that.

WHAT HE BROUGHT....

is everyone on drugs? why is it so hard to understand that I see a skill set that a certain player brought to the lineup, and can understand that the team misses that skill set, and has/had no one to replace it.

THE TEAM NEEDS A PLAYMAKING/PUCK POSSESSION CENTER

Go whoopee yourselves
No one will disagree with bolded. But, to bring Connolly into the fray is just asking for people to be argumentative, which I think you may have been looking for all along.

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He played at a 53 point pace from July 1st to the end of the season. Don't kid yourself.
Derek Roy is on pace for 45 points...

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No one will disagree with bolded. But, to bring Connolly into the fray is just asking for people to be IRRATIONAL, which I think you may have been looking for all along.
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