Ok everybody is talking about Gagner eating Beauchemin's knuckles but compare our soft lives with the brutal warfare that takes place in the NHL. In the end my point is that it's so easy for us to say Ah take the hit suck it up fight this guy but when you are actually in the trenches taking these hits, it 100% different. My point is that when Gags stepped up to Beauchemin he knew he was in a world of serious hurt, possibly a Crosby-like concussion and yet he stepped up to the plate. Sam Gagner I love you and I hope you infuse the Oil with your never-say-die spirit forever!!!
The fact that Gagner stepped up and took one for the team and most people are ignoring it
Well you and I and Sam Gagner and Dave Gagner and prolly Mrs Gagner prolly all noticed. How can anyone not love a guy like this? This is the glue with which championship teams are made!!!
Love Sam Gagner. Look back through his games, he gives and gives every game. He is a leader, in is in his DNA and you can tell he doesn't like to stand around and watch.
Next game give him a huge cheer when he touches the puck, make him proud to be an Oiler, maybe the other players will get it. I have been saying it for a while now, he should be wearing the C. That is a guy to follow with his qualities.
Now if Belanger can show him faceoff pointers.....
I know I'm in the minority but starting a fight with a bigger guy who embarrasses you as he beats your face in is not good. You gotta pick your battles. I don't think this was a particularly useful battle for Gagner to engage in. That said, the fight does show that Gagner still is willing to fight (quite literally) for the team, but I think the bigger issue, which has been stressed repeatedly after the game, was that no one on the team seemed to give a **** about the fight.
Sadly, give Gagner a couple more years on this losing team and his spirit will be broken like everyone else's seem to be.
Ok everybody is talking about Gagner eating Beauchemin's knuckles but compare our soft lives with the brutal warfare that takes place in the NHL. In the end my point is that it's so easy for us to say Ah take the hit suck it up fight this guy but when you are actually in the trenches taking these hits, it 100% different. My point is that when Gags stepped up to Beauchemin he knew he was in a world of serious hurt, possibly a Crosby-like concussion and yet he stepped up to the plate. Sam Gagner I love you and I hope you infuse the Oil with your never-say-die spirit forever!!!
Excellent attitude by Gagner, he took one for the team. Too ******* bad no one seemed to react and at least step up the physical game.
Buuuut, let's not go over the top here. Beauchmin has 3 cm and 10 kgs on Gagner (looks like more but I'm going by wiki ). Anyway, apart from size there are obviously many more factors playing in so yes, it was impressive to see Gags go for it. You compare our soft lives with NHL's brutal warfare... Look, I have no doubt that I would be crushed in one nano-second if I ever got the chance to be on the ice with these guys but they (all of them) have physical attributes I could only dream of having. That said and speaking relatively, I have been up against worse than that and I guess many people have. Only difference beeing that I had no out and no ref to stop the fight when it went out of hand and I got my ass kicked.... So let's keep it down to earth and about the game here.
I still dont understand why he went after Beauchemin. He tried to throw a perfectly clean hit on Hall and missed. Does every hit have to result in a fight? Do we really want Gagner to be the next Bucky?
I agree it took balls, which is something most of the players seem to lack since they have been neutered by the coach.
I still dont understand why he went after Beauchemin. He tried to throw a perfectly clean hit on Hall and missed. Does every hit have to result in a fight? Do we really want Gagner to be the next Bucky?
I agree it took balls, which is something most of the players seem to lack since they have been neutered by the coach.
I can definitely say that I am tired of watching a team who doesn't react to anything. If that hit connected, Hall would have been crushed. Cleanly, it would have been a gorgeous hit but I still hate the fact that no-one else cared about it.
I don't want to see fights over clean hits, but I don't want to see the Oilers get tossed around. Sutton does everything in that regard poorly because he gets suspended. Peckham is invisible. Eager and Hordi have a shock collar on. What was the point in picking them up if Tom Renney is our coach?
I don't want goonery, but I want to see some kind of spark. Some kind of emotion come from the players. Where is the care for these guys?
Sam should punch Eager in the face instead. Or Renney.
Normally I don't condone violence but lol.
Gotta say Beauchemin showed one hell of a lot of class how he handled things. First he gives Gagner an out as the fight starts and questioning whether he really wants to do this
Next, after a hail of lefts that quickly ended proceedings he significantly stops punching. He could've rained in several more punches to a helpless Gagner at that point.
Finally, after the fight Gagner is visibly questioning why this fight occurred. With that perhaps being a not to Gagner, and this joke of an Edmonton Oilers team that had him fighting Sam Gagner of all people.
Really and honestly its trouble right now for Sam to be doing this. No quicker route to a concussion or injury then punching way over your weight. He got through this one but only because he was facing a guy with some class. Against the wront guy Gagner would be in the hospital right now. I hope he realizes this.
I still dont understand why he went after Beauchemin. He tried to throw a perfectly clean hit on Hall and missed. Does every hit have to result in a fight? Do we really want Gagner to be the next Bucky?
I agree it took balls, which is something most of the players seem to lack since they have been neutered by the coach.
Totally agree.
Beauchemin did nothing wrong in the whole sequence. I think he was bewildered why this fight occurred.
I think Gagner tried to use it as motivation. Knew his club wasn't into the game and was trying to create some bad blood. The Oilers seemed not to be into the contest at all. That said clearly it didn't work.
Beauchemin did nothing wrong in the whole sequence. I think he was bewildered why this fight occurred.
I think Gagner tried to use it as motivation. Knew his club wasn't into the game and was trying to create some bad blood. The Oilers seemed not to be into the contest at all. That said clearly it didn't work.
nice contradiction. you totally agree that you "dont understand why he went after Beauchemin", but then give a perfectly good rationale for the fight.
Beauchemin did nothing wrong in the whole sequence. I think he was bewildered why this fight occurred.
I think Gagner tried to use it as motivation. Knew his club wasn't into the game and was trying to create some bad blood. The Oilers seemed not to be into the contest at all. That said clearly it didn't work.
I don't think Gagner was too upset about the play. Maybe I'm wrong but honestly I didn't even consider the fact that the fight was induced by Beauchemin's actions. For me it was all about the team and the (lack of) effort.
What pissed me off a bit after all of this was Horc's comments about the game/fight. I don't have the quote now and there was no question that he appreciated Gagner's effort but when he went on to say (para-phrasing) those things should increase moral and make the team increase their efforts I lost it. Where the **** was his effort? If we lose, we lose, but at least go out there and start landing some serious hits...
Ok everybody is talking about Gagner eating Beauchemin's knuckles but compare our soft lives with the brutal warfare that takes place in the NHL. In the end my point is that it's so easy for us to say Ah take the hit suck it up fight this guy but when you are actually in the trenches taking these hits, it 100% different. My point is that when Gags stepped up to Beauchemin he knew he was in a world of serious hurt, possibly a Crosby-like concussion and yet he stepped up to the plate. Sam Gagner I love you and I hope you infuse the Oil with your never-say-die spirit forever!!!
Gagner either A) had too much confidence in his fighting skills after taking on other non tough guys or B) got caught up in the moment and didn't realize who he was taking on. Either way the kid has balls, I find it rather disturbing that both Hall and Gagner have felt the need to stand up for themselves and their teammates in the last 2 years. Hall got hurt last year and had Beauchemin not held back at the end we could have been seeing the most vicious KO since MacIntyre knocked Ivanans into next week. That said where is the fire from our coaching staff? Our players whose supposed job is to keep these guys away from the rough stuff? I hope that Gagner uses better judgement next time, however I hope even more that the coaching staff and the players (Peckham, Eager, Teubert, Sutton) take offense and start taking runs at their star players if they are trying to throttle Hall. Naturally they won't and maybe next time it will be Eberle or Nuge getting KTFO'd because our coach seems to like having a team that plays like a bunch of *******.
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I have a feeling Gagner gets traded at deadline.
I'm not so sure anymore. His value is definitely on the rise at the moment, however management should have some kind of an idea about whether or not they view him as a long term Oiler.
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Horcoff might be a good leader off the ice because his wife cooks some meals for young millionaire bachelors, but on the ice the guy is an entitled *****.
i was thinking the same earlier in the season, but now i'm not so sure. the injury to RNH has highlighted the lack of depth at C. Gagner is consistently one of the most hard-working players on the team and has the versatility of playing wing. he might not reach his full potential, but that doesn't mean that he's not a valuable asset to this team.
I know I'm in the minority but starting a fight with a bigger guy who embarrasses you as he beats your face in is not good. You gotta pick your battles. I don't think this was a particularly useful battle for Gagner to engage in. That said, the fight does show that Gagner still is willing to fight (quite literally) for the team, but I think the bigger issue, which has been stressed repeatedly after the game, was that no one on the team seemed to give a **** about the fight.
Sadly, give Gagner a couple more years on this losing team and his spirit will be broken like everyone else's seem to be.
Gagner got a couple good shots in too he wasn't nearly murdered or anything. Gagner's a beauty, plain and simple.
i was thinking the same earlier in the season, but now i'm not so sure. the injury to RNH has highlighted the lack of depth at C. Gagner is consistently one of the most hard-working players on the team and has the versatility of playing wing. he might not reach his full potential, but that doesn't mean that he's not a valuable asset to this team.
Horcoff and Belanger are Godawful offensively. Belanger is a black hole on offense and Horcoff isn't a whole hell of a lot better lately. If we do eventually move Gagner might we see Hall move to center? Preferably we take Grigorenko at the draft and roll with something like this:
Paajarvi-RNH-Eberle
Hall-Grigorenko-?
Having 4 potentially elite forwards in our top 6 would make us a force to be reckoned with regardless of our blueline.
I think he is a lock on the future of this team's top 6. The guy is still getting better, still not in his prime, and when he starts winning in that jersey that he's bled for so many times, I think he'll be a BIGTIME performer.
Especially if we end up with Grigorenko at the draft.
Hall/Grigorenko/Gagner would be a dirty line, and having a player like Gagner in the roster who could move into the 2c role if one of Grigs or RNH gets hurt is a huge plus, we still have 2 legit top 6 centers.
Gagner got a couple good shots in too he wasn't nearly murdered or anything. Gagner's a beauty, plain and simple.
Gagner was marked up and was getting his ass handed to him. Had Beauchemin not stopped he could've really laid a hurting on Gagner. As it was IIRC Gagner missed some shifts as a result of the fight. Kid was game but lets not pretend that he had a hope in hell of winning that fight.
Horcoff might be a good leader off the ice because his wife cooks some meals for young millionaire bachelors, but on the ice the guy is an entitled *****.
How so?(genuine question, examples of why you say that) I don't understand how, love or hate, any one could ever question his effort. It's just ridiculous, everything he's accomplished in his career is due to "wanting it more". Horc's a beauty too, i wish his contract was for 1.5 less with 1 year less term, but that was fair value when he signed so it is what it is. It doesn't make him some kind of criminal, or less of an NHL player. The hate for that guy is insane, why do we hate our good players? The team is bad so we blame the Gagners, Gilberts, and Horcoffs, yet we love guys like Vandermeer, Lander, and Sutton. It makes no ****ing sense.
Gagner was marked up and was getting his ass handed to him. Had Beauchemin not stopped he could've really laid a hurting on Gagner. As it was IIRC Gagner missed some shifts as a result of the fight. Kid was game but lets not pretend that he had a hope in hell of winning that fight.
I never said he won the fight he just didn't get MacIntyred or anything, he was game for it.
Yeah Gagner missed some shifts, 5 minutes of them. I wonder why....
). Anyway, apart from size there are obviously many more factors playing in so yes, it was impressive to see Gags go for it. You compare our soft lives with NHL's brutal warfare... Look, I have no doubt that I would be crushed in one nano-second if I ever got the chance to be on the ice with these guys but they (all of them) have physical attributes I could only dream of having. That said and speaking relatively, I have been up against worse than that and I guess many people have. Only difference beeing that I had no out and no ref to stop the fight when it went out of hand and I got my ass kicked.... So let's keep it down to earth and about the game here.
