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01-16-2012, 05:33 PM
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Derek Roy

Calgary needs a player to play with Iginla and some center depth in general if they want to make the playoffs.

What does Calgary have to give to get Derek Roy?

Edit(1/17/12): What would it to get Derek Roy to a team in need of a center?


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01-16-2012, 06:57 PM
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Definitely starts with Mikael Backlund

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01-16-2012, 07:36 PM
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Buffalo would want a C upgrade, which Calgary does not have. Bad trading partners.

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01-16-2012, 09:01 PM
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2012 1st, Backlund, and another solid prospect. Backlund isn't very enticing IMO

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01-16-2012, 09:03 PM
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2012 1st, Backlund, and another solid prospect. Backlund isn't very enticing IMO
So you want a Jeff Carter "like" return on Derek Roy?
It would be close to value during his career years, but with that being said his value is currently at an all time low.

Flames easily pass.

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01-16-2012, 10:14 PM
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The contracts going each way would have to be equivalent as both teams are operating over the cap. I think any deal would have to include Backlund. Add Comeau, and the salaries almost match.

Not to say this would be the offer, but rather that $4M in salary from Calgary would have to go the other way.

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01-16-2012, 10:36 PM
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So you want a Jeff Carter "like" return on Derek Roy?
It would be close to value during his career years, but with that being said his value is currently at an all time low.

Flames easily pass.
Guy is a career 70pt/season center. The whole team is playing poorly, so it's not just him. I really feel like they've just tuned out Ruff. But that said, one season doesn't make a career. Yes, I think that's fair value for him. And comparing Backlund to Voracek, well, that's not the same thing either now, is it?

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01-16-2012, 10:39 PM
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So you want a Jeff Carter "like" return on Derek Roy?
It would be close to value during his career years, but with that being said his value is currently at an all time low.

Flames easily pass.
The 2nd prospect might be a bit much, but it's certainly not far off Backlund and a 1st. And even though I am ready to push Roy out the door I wouldn't be happy with that deal. Backlund leaves a lot to be desired IMO.

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01-16-2012, 11:20 PM
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Wouldn't be worth what it would cost. We have Jokinen and Roy would only be a small upgrade. Calgary already gave up some futures for Cammy, giving up any more the season I think would be ill advised.

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Guy is a career 70pt/season center. The whole team is playing poorly, so it's not just him. I really feel like they've just tuned out Ruff. But that said, one season doesn't make a career. Yes, I think that's fair value for him. And comparing Backlund to Voracek, well, that's not the same thing either now, is it?
Backlund + another good prospect is close enough for me to draw a comparison to the Carter trade for sure.

I doubt any team would trade what is currently a top 10 pick + for Derek Roy at this time.


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01-17-2012, 12:15 AM
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The 2nd prospect might be a bit much, but it's certainly not far off Backlund and a 1st. And even though I am ready to push Roy out the door I wouldn't be happy with that deal. Backlund leaves a lot to be desired IMO.
I can understand that.

But you are receiving what is at this time a top 10 selection (from a team that desperately needs to retain that pick) in the upcoming draft alongside a young player who undoubtedly has top six potential.

For Calgary it's a no go.

"IF" our 1st was to be moved it would be in a package for a Ryan Getzlaf type player.

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So you want a Jeff Carter "like" return on Derek Roy?
For a guy who gets more points and is a better two-way player and a great PKer... On a good contract?

Yes.

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Calgary is too old to get a center for Iggy now. We're basically pass the time when that matters. So not much value in Roy now.

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01-17-2012, 06:22 AM
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Calgary is too old to get a center for Iggy now. We're basically pass the time when that matters. So not much value in Roy now.

That's exactly it!

The boat has sailed on finding Iginla a centreman and if they decide now, we know Calgary's organization is completely done.

Calgary would covet someone like this, but Calgary can't afford to give up any more assets.

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01-17-2012, 06:47 AM
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But to me the Cammalleri deal is exactly that. Finding players to mesh with Iginla for a playoff push. I believe the Flames have been in that mode for about 3 too many seasons. They needed a full on rebuild a while ago, yet they seem to trade picks/prospects for underachieving/overrated players all the time. That's why I could see them overpaying for Roy, they have a history of it, they just lost both 2nd rounders in this year and next years drafts.

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01-17-2012, 06:58 AM
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But to me the Cammalleri deal is exactly that. Finding players to mesh with Iginla for a playoff push. I believe the Flames have been in that mode for about 3 too many seasons. They needed a full on rebuild a while ago, yet they seem to trade picks/prospects for underachieving/overrated players all the time. That's why I could see them overpaying for Roy, they have a history of it, they just lost both 2nd rounders in this year and next years drafts.
Yea, some questionable moves for a team that doesn't have very many good prospects in the system. To me, Cammi has to come to Calgary and score 15 - 20 goals for it to be considered a success.

But both Calgary and Buffalo are in similar situations. Both teams are sitting a couple points out of the playoffs, but here's the difference maker.... the West is much tougher to get in the top 8.


The only deal that I could see the teams making is Lee Stempniak coming back. If the Sabres can unload another contract for next year, they make the deal without giving up too much.

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01-17-2012, 07:17 AM
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2012 1st, Backlund, and another solid prospect. Backlund isn't very enticing IMO
Please tell me
Your not serious lol roy isnt worth that much even when he was in his prime

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01-17-2012, 08:27 AM
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Calgary's not in a playoff spot and they're cap-strapped.

They did their big deal and won't be bringing another big name in.

If anything I could see them shipping players out if they continue to fall behind 8th in the West.

And there's no way they're dealing their 1st for anyone, considering it could be a top-10 pick.

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01-17-2012, 09:10 AM
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Buffalo would want a C upgrade, which Calgary does not have. Bad trading partners.
Sums it up in two sentences. Buffalo isn't trading Roy to Calgary without the Flames' 1st rounder coming back. Calgary shouldn't give that up for Roy. Neither side is going to find a deal they like in this.

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01-17-2012, 09:18 AM
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For a guy who gets more points and is a better two-way player and a great PKer... On a good contract?

Yes.


that's funny

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01-17-2012, 10:52 AM
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C Derek Roy ($4M)
2012 2nd RND pick [CGY]

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C Mikael Backlund ($1.27M RFA)
C/W Lance Bouma ($694K)
2012 1st RND pick

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To

C Derek Roy ($4M)
2013 3rd RND pick

To

C Mikael Backlund ($1.27M RFA)
C Markus Granlund ($N/A) or C Logan MacMillan ($1.059M RFA)
2012 1st RND pick

Overpayment by CGY I know, but if Buffalo is dealing Roy, it is either for an upgrade at C, or to repair the horrendous depth issue - Anything less than overpayment & Darcy just says "No."


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I think Roy could get a 1st rounder back - it just would be more of a 20-30 than potentially top-10.

Calgary's in a spot where a top-10 pick is more likely than the playoffs so I just don't see them shipping their 1st rounder out.

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Start with your first....then start adding significantly. Getting Roy without upgrading us at center is going to be VERY costly.

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So you want a Jeff Carter "like" return on Derek Roy?
It would be close to value during his career years, but with that being said his value is currently at an all time low.

Flames easily pass.
So 1 injury year and 1 down year substantially lowers his trade value at 29 years old, entering his prime production years?

I'd like the formula you use to establish this.

The fact is, Derek Roy is worth a 1st round pick given his production.
GM's know the price, and they also know his contract friendly hit for that production.

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