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01-17-2012, 07:18 PM
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That article is a year old..

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So what its a year old. It is still pretty telling. It gives another reason why Atlanta didn't work. Yeah ownership was a big problem but when fans won't even watch them on TV it shows a real lack of support. At some point you have to just give up on some of these cities. Its one thing to not show up when the team is losing but not to watch them is another.

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01-17-2012, 08:20 PM
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In my opinion, any team that has to rely on being in the top 8 in its conference to sell-out its barn on a regular basis is not a strong franchise, but instead is one built on a pillar of sand.
Even more incentive for owership to try to win. If your going to make money no matter what why try? See MLSE

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In my opinion, any team that has to rely on being in the top 8 in its conference to sell-out its barn on a regular basis is not a strong franchise, but instead is one built on a pillar of sand.

In other words, if the team lives and dies by the bandwagon, it's not a strong, viable franchise, and the potential for failure is always there, no matter how well the team is playing today.
So we'll be shutting down every American franchise. Good to know.

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So we'll be shutting down every American franchise. Good to know.
He didn't say that.

In fact he said earlier "The game can flourish in any market, it's just a matter of how you package your product, and the price you put on it."

With 30 teams in the league, you can't expect every team to be a winner. In sports, losing is normal. So you have to have a marketing plan that goes beyond "winning a lot".

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A disclaimer should be put to warn people the article is nearly a full year old...

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In sports, losing is normal.
Going a decade without winning a playoff game is not normal.

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01-18-2012, 12:10 PM
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In my opinion, any team that has to rely on being in the top 8 in its conference to sell-out its barn on a regular basis is not a strong franchise, but instead is one built on a pillar of sand.

In other words, if the team lives and dies by the bandwagon, it's not a strong, viable franchise, and the potential for failure is always there, no matter how well the team is playing today.
So basically, you are telling me that every single team in the NHL is/was a weak franchise built on the pillar of sand sometime in the last 30 years.

SHUT DOWN THE LEAGUE EVERYBODY!

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01-18-2012, 12:36 PM
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Why not post this article from Dec 7, 2011 that shows that most southern markets have jumped even this season?

http://paranoidpuck.wordpress.com/20...ngs/#more-1066

Eleven local Regional Sports Networks experienced double- and triple-digit growth, including:
Nashville (+200 percent)
Carolina (+125 percent)
Florida (+100 percent)
Tampa Bay (+71 percent)
Philadelphia (+60 percent)
Boston (+57 percent)
Minnesota (+53 percent)
San Jose (+44 percent)
Buffalo (+26 percent)
Edmonton (+21 percent)
New York Rangers (+14 percent)

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01-18-2012, 04:23 PM
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Why not post this article from Dec 7, 2011 that shows that most southern markets have jumped even this season?

http://paranoidpuck.wordpress.com/20...ngs/#more-1066

Eleven local Regional Sports Networks experienced double- and triple-digit growth, including:
• Nashville (+200 percent)
• Carolina (+125 percent)
• Florida (+100 percent)
• Tampa Bay (+71 percent)
• Philadelphia (+60 percent)
• Boston (+57 percent)
• Minnesota (+53 percent)
• San Jose (+44 percent)
• Buffalo (+26 percent)
• Edmonton (+21 percent)
• New York Rangers (+14 percent)
That would not fit an agenda, that the poster and others are trying to profess. That the southern NHL teams should be moved and have no fans.


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Maybe I just need to re-post these numbers....TV ratings from the 2010 gold medal game.

http://puckthemedia.wordpress.com/20...ld-medal-game/

Bolded are either "non-traditional" or non-NHL markets.

1. Buffalo, 32.6/51
2. Pittsburgh, 31.9/50
3. Detroit, 26.9/47
4. Minneapolis, 26.4/53
5. Milwaukee, 24.5/43
6. Boston, 24.1/46
7. Chicago, 23.5/41
8. Columbus, 22.3/37
9. Denver, 22.2/42
10. Philadelphia, 20.9/35
11. West Palm Beach, 20.3/33
12. Kansas City, 19.5/35
13. St. Louis, 19.4/39
14. Seattle, 19.3/45
15. Cincinnati, 19.2/31
16. New York, 19.0/36
17. Hartford, 18.5/30
18. Providence, 18.4/34
T19. Salt Lake City, 18.3/38
T19. Cleveland, 18.3/32
T21. Washington, D.C., 18.1/33
T21. Baltimore, 18.1/32
23. Ft. Myers, 18.0/34
T24. Austin, 17.1/34
T24. Indianapolis, 17.1/29

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Why not post this article from Dec 7, 2011 that shows that most southern markets have jumped even this season?

http://paranoidpuck.wordpress.com/20...ngs/#more-1066

Eleven local Regional Sports Networks experienced double- and triple-digit growth, including:
• Nashville (+200 percent)
• Carolina (+125 percent)
• Florida (+100 percent)
• Tampa Bay (+71 percent)
• Philadelphia (+60 percent)
• Boston (+57 percent)
• Minnesota (+53 percent)
• San Jose (+44 percent)
• Buffalo (+26 percent)
• Edmonton (+21 percent)
• New York Rangers (+14 percent)
Boston only 57% even after winning the Cup and being an excellent team this year? Where can we move them to? Albuquerque?

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01-18-2012, 06:04 PM
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That would not fit an agenda, that the poster and others are trying to profess. That the southern NHL teams should be moved and have no fans.
THERE IS NO AGENDA. Why do so many of you southerners get so bent out of shape when people talk about moving teams. Its one thing to not go to the arena to watch them when they do bad, but to not watch them on TV says a lot. Its not just about the support, its the lack of a decent sized fan base to sustain a team. All it does is prove my point. So Florida doubled the amount of people watching. If you go by the report I posted, that would put them at 6000 or so. I know Phoenix is another problem but I would love to hear from people that live there as to why they won't even watch the team that has made the playoffs the last 2 seasons. I know fans don't want to invest money on a team that might be gone by next season but it doesn't cost money to turn on a tv and watch. OH wait, I keep forgetting just like in Tampa and Sunrise, there is too much to do cause its so nice and warm.

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01-18-2012, 06:14 PM
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THERE IS NO AGENDA. Why do so many of you southerners get so bent out of shape when people talk about moving teams.
Are you serious? 10, 15, 20 years of the non-stop "YOU DON'T DESERVE A TEAM, YOU'RE NOT REAL FANS, YOU DIDN'T GROW UP PLAYING POND HOCKEY".

Maybe it's the fact that it's grossly offensive on its face. Maybe it's the fact that any "case" that can be built to "prove" where hockey is "working" is always bent on double standards, revisionist history, outright lies, and suspensions of logic and common sense. Maybe it's the fact that we're pretty much all sick and tired of it.

Neither I nor ANYONE else needs to justify ourselves or our existence, both prior and current (and future, for that matter), to anyone.

(Also, in my case, I'm not a Southerner, I'm an Ohioan. Of course, according to too many in the drive-by media, that's "in the Sunbelt", so I feel qualified to answer.)

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Are you serious? 10, 15, 20 years of the non-stop "YOU DON'T DESERVE A TEAM, YOU'RE NOT REAL FANS, YOU DIDN'T GROW UP PLAYING POND HOCKEY".

Maybe it's the fact that it's grossly offensive on its face. Maybe it's the fact that any "case" that can be built to "prove" where hockey is "working" is always bent on double standards, revisionist history, outright lies, and suspensions of logic and common sense. Maybe it's the fact that we're pretty much all sick and tired of it.

Neither I nor ANYONE else needs to justify ourselves or our existence, both prior and current (and future, for that matter), to anyone.

(Also, in my case, I'm not a Southerner, I'm an Ohioan. Of course, according to too many in the drive-by media, that's "in the Sunbelt", so I feel qualified to answer.)
I don't consider Ohio sunbelt and I give Columbus fans props for supporting their team. For as bad as they have been, the fans still show up for the most part and watch them on TV. For the other cities I am just tired of hearing excuse after excuse for the lack of support. From ownership, to the team sucks, to the arena is to hard to get to in rush hour, there is too many better things to do than watch an exotic game of hockey. What I am trying to say, which everyone seems to fight against it is, its one thing to not show up to the arena when the team is bad but to NOT EVEN TURN ON A TV is another.

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THERE IS NO AGENDA. Why do so many of you southerners get so bent out of shape when people talk about moving teams. Its one thing to not go to the arena to watch them when they do bad, but to not watch them on TV says a lot. Its not just about the support, its the lack of a decent sized fan base to sustain a team. All it does is prove my point. So Florida doubled the amount of people watching. If you go by the report I posted, that would put them at 6000 or so. I know Phoenix is another problem but I would love to hear from people that live there as to why they won't even watch the team that has made the playoffs the last 2 seasons. I know fans don't want to invest money on a team that might be gone by next season but it doesn't cost money to turn on a TV and watch. OH wait, I keep forgetting just like in Tampa and Sunrise, there is too much to do cause its so nice and warm.
We get bent out of shape because it's always a moving target to justify us being fans. "Sell out your arena" is screamed at us by Fans and media with your agenda. When that happens "it's have better ratings" or "pay ticket prices at Toronto's level". I understand most will never accept us but what makes a good hockey fan is always a moving target and all Traditional NHL cities aren't subject to the same scrutiny. Chicago and Boston were near the bottom of the Attendance and ratings lists a few years ago and no one questioned fan support in those cities. Like stated above it gets old quickly.


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From ownership, to the team sucks, to the arena is to hard to get to in rush hour, there is too many better things to do than watch an exotic game of hockey. What I am trying to say, which everyone seems to fight against it is, its one thing to not show up to the arena when the team is bad but to NOT EVEN TURN ON A TV is another.
Oh I See 5 years ago Chicago and Boston had valid reasons not to show up or watch on TV but when the team is in Florida it is "excuses"


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We get bent out of shape because it's always a moving target to justify us being fans. "Sell out your arena" is screamed at us by Fans and media with your agenda. When that happens "it's have better ratings" or "pay ticket prices at Toronto's level". I understand most will never accept us but what makes a good hockey fan is always a moving target and all Traditional NHL cities aren't subject to the same scrutiny. Chicago and Boston were near the bottom of the Attendance and ratings lists a few years ago and no one questioned fan support in those cities. Like stated above it gets old quickly.


Oh I See 5 years ago Chicago and Boston had valid reasons not to show up or watch on TV but when the team is in Florida it is "excuses"
It is a valid reason for every city when the team sucks to not go to the arena and watch but I am sure Chicago and Boston never had less than 14000 homes watching.

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It is a valid reason for every city when the team sucks to not go to the arena and watch but I am sure Chicago and Boston never had less than 14000 homes watching.
Now it's a valid reason!! It also stannds to reason that fans would rather watch something else than be subjected to the pain of watching their team play poorly either on TV or in person. Add to that most teams are not on local stations or cable (usaully the higher tier package) so compare that stations ratings to their regular schedule. I get your point hockey is more popular in Canada, but that does not it can't succeed some where else.

Are you sure because I remember before they were good the Hawks played a home game vs the Predators where there were more fans from Nashville in attendance than Chicago. I highly doubt they had stellar ratings for that time.


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Chicago isn't the best example when it comes to television viewership. Dollar Bill Wirtz, etc.

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Chicago isn't the best example when it comes to television viewership. Dollar Bill Wirtz, etc.
Pfft, more excuses.


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Chicago isn't the best example when it comes to television viewership. Dollar Bill Wirtz, etc.
Not to mention the size of Chicago. What's more impressive? Columbus getting 14,000 homes or Chicago getting 14,000 homes? Obviously Columbus since it's much smaller.

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Not to mention the size of Chicago. What's more impressive? Columbus getting 14,000 homes or Chicago getting 14,000 homes? Obviously Columbus since it's much smaller.
Well, why isn't Columbus the same size as Chicago then? More excuses!

I'll also say this. If people in "traditional" markets had to be subjected to some of the announcers that those of us in "non-traditional" markets have dealt with, it'd be more understandable why avoiding them entirely isn't an indicator of anything negative. Take a listen to Dave Mishkin with the Lightning sometime, or consider that Atlanta originally hired Scott Ferrall (who lasted half a season).

This video is Ferrall. He starts talking at 0:33....see if you can make it to 0:35 without hitting the mute button. Now try to imagine that voice calling a hockey game.



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I'll also say this. If people in "traditional" markets had to be subjected to some of the announcers that those of us in "non-traditional" markets have dealt with, it'd be more understandable why avoiding them entirely isn't an indicator of anything negative.
What, you don't like Rimer?

Actually, Carolina has arguably the best regional play-by-play man in the business, John Forslund. Conversely, the Bruins have Jack Edwards. Of course, the Canes also have Tripp Tracy. Can't win 'em all.

You are right overall, though. Does FSN Ohio broadcast all the games yet? Not that it'd be good if they did, of course. I know there were a few times last year where sometimes the Centre Ice feed was the in-arena jumbotron feed with radio on the audio track from Columbus and Nashville.

Also, two seconds.

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This video is Ferrall. He starts talking at 0:33....see if you can make it to 0:35 without hitting the mute button. Now try to imagine that voice calling a hockey game.

That is quite possible the worst voice I have ever heard. And worse thing is, he is on the radio. I think he missed his true calling...as a mime.

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Well, why isn't Columbus the same size as Chicago then? More excuses!

I'll also say this. If people in "traditional" markets had to be subjected to some of the announcers that those of us in "non-traditional" markets have dealt with, it'd be more understandable why avoiding them entirely isn't an indicator of anything negative. Take a listen to Dave Mishkin with the Lightning sometime, or consider that Atlanta originally hired Scott Ferrall (who lasted half a season).

This video is Ferrall. He starts talking at 0:33....see if you can make it to 0:35 without hitting the mute button. Now try to imagine that voice calling a hockey game.

Now its the people who call the game's fault. I think I realize after this thread on why Hockey will always be a second rate sport in the states. In almost all markets, unless the team wins, fans don't care. Some cities have more that do care when the team sucks but for the most part as soon as the team starts losing people walk away.

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