“He can really skate when he’s coming down that wing,” said coach Brent Sutter. “But he passes up a lot of shots because he wants to take the puck, goes for the loop around the net to the other side, and nothing happens. That’s what the opposition wants to happen. When he has opportunities, he has to use his shot.”
That's what i've been complaining about since last year.
He's a big puss. Only time he ever finishes checks is when a player is in a prone position too.
You never look at players stats and determine their worth.
Some fans keep throwing out the, "but he scored 24 goals...who else is gonna..."
That needs to be looked at closer. Does this player EVER try to beat a guy one on one and DRIVE to the net?
Never once. And this is going back PRIOR to last year's concussion against the Pens. He's a north american enigma. Not someone you want on your team when you enter the playoffs because he will let you down.
Glad he's gone but we have alot bigger issues than worrying about him. He's Calgary's problem till the end of this season.
Snow should have moved him in the offseason vs. waiving him for nothing. Again, less TRUE cash burn by Wang.
Did Isles EVER replace his full cash salary? Nope.
Hmmm... two seasons in a row, Isles trade two cash salary players when the team stunk up the joint and it was obvious a miracle would have to happen to make the playoffs. Wanger order cash off the books???
Snow should have moved him in the offseason vs. waiving him for nothing. Again, less TRUE cash burn by Wang.
Did Isles EVER replace his full cash salary? Nope.
Hmmm... two seasons in a row, Isles trade two cash salary players when the team stunk up the joint and it was obvious a miracle would have to happen to make the playoffs. Wanger order cash off the books???
As far back as I can remember. The Isles have dumped salary during the season (except the Smyth year which was only a small pick up in salary considering it was at the deadline).
The Isles are a budget team. They budget in the offseason hoping for the best, but when the attendance does not meet expectations due to poor performance / acts of god / etc. you see the dumping of salary.
As for caring. I thought it was funny for Sutter to point it out to the media what we all know.
It's like Cappy saying. We use Nielsen in the shoot out because it seems like he always scores on the backhand shelf move.
The Isles are a budget team. They budget in the offseason hoping for the best, but when the attendance does not meet expectations due to poor performance / acts of god / etc. you see the dumping of salary.
I think you are close to accurate here. However, it seems it's not driven by attendance, but likelihood of being competitive post-Xmas where Wang is more willing to hold on. One can't expect ROI in attendance based on 10/15/20 games, not after this teams winning ways...To me, it seems that once he realizes NYI are 90% out of it, he dumps cold hard cash.
At then end of day it was still a poor move to waive Coneau. We are a worse team without him. He is/was a better player than Wallace, Reasoner, Pandolfo, Rolston, Nino, and arguably Bailey. That is 6 regulars that could have been waived, sent down, etc before Comeau. It was not a hockey move it was a Wang/Snow cheapo move
At then end of day it was still a poor move to waive Coneau. We are a worse team without him. He is/was a better player than Wallace, Reasoner, Pandolfo, Rolston, Nino, and arguably Bailey. That is 6 regulars that could have been waived, sent down, etc before Comeau. It was not a hockey move it was a Wang/Snow cheapo move
Wrong, excuse me, I mean I disagree.
You GET rid of players with bad habits. Comeau was a cancer on this team. Not coachable. TERRIBLE defensively and I'd rather finish bottom 5 with a youngster who would DRIVE to the net vs a puss who curls and avoids being hit.
At then end of day it was still a poor move to waive Coneau. We are a worse team without him.He is/was a better player than Wallace, Reasoner, Pandolfo, Rolston, Nino, and arguably Bailey. That is 6 regulars that could have been waived, sent down, etc before Comeau. It was not a hockey move it was a Wang/Snow cheapo move
You GET rid of players with bad habits. Comeau was a cancer on this team. Not coachable. TERRIBLE defensively and I'd rather finish bottom 5 with a youngster who would DRIVE to the net vs a puss who curls and avoids being hit.
What "youngster " replaced Comeau? Ullstrom played a month and got hurt and he easily could have replaced Wallace (still can) or anyone else named above expect Bailey. At the end of the day this was not a move to improve the team it was a move to help Wangs checkbook. It should be easy to see that. We have worse floaters/uselss guys on this roster than Comeau. I could not give a **** about our corrupt owners checkbook.
What "youngster " replaced Comeau? Ullstrom played a month and got hurt and he easily could have replaced Wallace (still can) or anyone else named above expect Bailey. At the end of the day this was not a move to improve the team it was a move to help Wangs checkbook. It should be easy to see that. We have worse floaters/uselss guys on this roster than Comeau. I could not give a **** about our corrupt owners checkbook.
Of course it was a move to save $$$.
We all know that.
My point is, you posted "He is/was a better player than Wallace, Reasoner, Pandolfo, Rolston, Nino, and arguably Bailey." yes?
I simply disagree.
Bailey is a better player, better hockey sense and more upside (should they develop him).
Reasoner, Rolston and Pando? I could care less about them.
Nino? Nino should be playing with players who compliment his game.
He's a scorer, won't score much this year but the goal should be to DEVELOP him. You only do that by placing players on lines with others who compliemnt ther game.
Comeau is uncoachable. Sutter is finding that out and they are now desperate and trying to mask his heartless play and poor defense by placing him on top line.
That's what i've been complaining about since last year.
He's a big puss. Only time he ever finishes checks is when a player is in a prone position too.
You never look at players stats and determine their worth.
Some fans keep throwing out the, "but he scored 24 goals...who else is gonna..."
That needs to be looked at closer. Does this player EVER try to beat a guy one on one and DRIVE to the net?
Never once. And this is going back PRIOR to last year's concussion against the Pens. He's a north american enigma. Not someone you want on your team when you enter the playoffs because he will let you down.
Glad he's gone but we have alot bigger issues than worrying about him. He's Calgary's problem till the end of this season.
Of course it was a move to save $$$.
We all know that.
Reasoner, Rolston and Pando? I could care less about them.
Nino? Nino should be playing with players who compliment his game.
We are better off without him.
He is better than the three guys you do not care about. That means they should have been waived first, pretty simple. Nino is not ready for the NHL he is not improving at all 1 or 2 fancy moves lately does not mean improvement. Comeau should easily be here instead of those 4. We all know why Comeau was dumped and Nino is here so we are really arguing over nothing. We have a cheap owner who could not give a rats ass about the team. At the end of the day this season Comeau gives us a better chance to win which would be the goal for a normal hockey team.
The bottom line is this club over the years takes their A players and replaces them with B's and C's. The C players they replace with D and F's. Comeau was a C who scored like a B or B+ until this year. He played D and though he had annoying habits, he did more than the Snow-Wang-Clan guys we picked up this summer and we got nothing for him but the joy of watching Walace and Rolston more often.
Like the player or hate him......the management of this team is so completely inept I don't know how you can defend the waiving.
The bottom line is this club over the years takes their A players and replaces them with B's and C's. The C players they replace with D and F's. Comeau was a C who scored like a B or B+ until this year. He played D and though he had annoying habits, he did more than the Snow-Wang-Clan guys we picked up this summer and we got nothing for him but the joy of watching Walace and Rolston more often.
Like the player or hate him......the management of this team is so completely inept I don't know how you can defend the waiving.
Exactly, Comeau is not the answer but he is a better answer than the Devils rejects , Wallace and Nino this year.
He is better than the three guys you do not care about. That means they should have been waived first, pretty simple. Nino is not ready for the NHL he is not improving at all 1 or 2 fancy moves lately does not mean improvement. Comeau should easily be here instead of those 4. We all know why Comeau was dumped and Nino is here so we are really arguing over nothing. We have a cheap owner who could not give a rats ass about the team. At the end of the day this season Comeau gives us a better chance to win which would be the goal for a normal hockey team.
Nino cannot do anymore in Juniors.
On a REAL NHL team, they give him top 9 minutes.
On this NHL team, we have to accommodate the promise our GM gave to Rolston prior to the trade that he'd get top 9 minutes.
Sitting Nino to watch and learn even when he was healthy was a drastic mistake.
Keeping Comeau would have been a drastic mistake.
The fact that NO team wanted to trade for him should be a clue.
I agree about the dead weight on this team. But addition by subtraction i terms of work ethic applies to one Blake COMA.
WORST DEFENSIVE player we had. Often out of position, skating with his head down and is pond hockey tendencies were maddening.
Nino cannot do anymore in Juniors.
On a REAL NHL team, they give him top 9 minutes.
On this NHL team, we have to accommodate the promise our GM gave to Rolston prior to the trade that he'd get top 9 minutes.
Sitting Nino to watch and learn even when he was healthy was a drastic mistake.
Keeping Comeau would have been a drastic mistake.
The fact that NO team wanted to trade for him should be a clue.
I agree about the dead weight on this team. But addition by subtraction i terms of work ethic applies to one Blake COMA.
WORST DEFENSIVE player we had. Often out of position, skating with his head down and is pond hockey tendencies were maddening.
We will have to agree to disagree on all fronts. Nino is a lost puppy when he does not have the puck and needs to work on his skating, two things which can be done in juniors. This not someone with JT,Stamkos type of talent Nino is a guy who needed time. Any team that would give Nino top 9 minutes this year would be in the bottom 5 of the league, unless we are talking about a junior team.
Rolston can and should be moved down but our joke of a GM probably did make stupid promises (just like he did with Nino).
Comeau is still a better player than Wallace and the Devils rejects and gave us a better chance to win this season. I know this season is not important to some but the goal should still be to win hockey games at all times, especially in late October or November when we waived him.
We will have to agree to disagree on all fronts. Nino is a lost puppy when he does not have the puck and needs to work on his skating, two things which can be done in juniors. This not someone with JT,Stamkos type of talent Nino is a guy who needed time. Any team that would give Nino top 9 minutes this year would be in the bottom 5 of the league, unless we are talking about a junior team.
Rolston can and should be moved down but our joke of a GM probably did make stupid promises (just like he did with Nino).
Comeau is still a better player than Wallace and the Devils rejects and gave us a better chance to win this season. I know this season is not important to some but the goal should still be to win hockey games at all times, especially in late October or November when we waived him.
I have to take issue with all of the Nino critics. I'll admit he's no Stampkos, but who on the Islanders is? I can say that about just about everyone on the roster. It's a silly comparison and probably what's driving alot of the complaints. I think Nino looks fine out there. He's definetely at a disadvantage playing with Pandolfo and Wallace. When the 4th line is out there, he's the only noticeable players on the ice. I can think of 5 players he's better then that start right now, and I would rather have him in the lineup then Comeau!!!
Having said that, I also believe his time this year in the NHL will help his progress. He will come back stronger and a better skater next year. If he had stayed in Portland, I don't believe he would have felt that necessity. So let's get off Nino's case.
We will have to agree to disagree on all fronts. Nino is a lost puppy when he does not have the puck and needs to work on his skating, two things which can be done in juniors. This not someone with JT,Stamkos type of talent Nino is a guy who needed time. Any team that would give Nino top 9 minutes this year would be in the bottom 5 of the league, unless we are talking about a junior team.
Rolston can and should be moved down but our joke of a GM probably did make stupid promises (just like he did with Nino).
Comeau is still a better player than Wallace and the Devils rejects and gave us a better chance to win this season. I know this season is not important to some but the goal should still be to win hockey games at all times, especially in late October or November when we waived him.
It's not just about about better players, you have to take into affect roles as well.
Nino's role? 4th line?
Comeau had MORE potential in terms of production but for me, looking at his yearly struggles on his end of the redline and constant decline in that area were most telling.
Wallace is more responsible as a 4th liner if that is to be his role.
To have Comeau on a 3rd line avoiding the dirty areas, going wide is the reason for his decline.
Nino cannot do anymore in Juniors.
On a REAL NHL team, they give him top 9 minutes.
On this NHL team, we have to accommodate the promise our GM gave to Rolston prior to the trade that he'd get top 9 minutes.
Sitting Nino to watch and learn even when he was healthy was a drastic mistake.
Keeping Comeau would have been a drastic mistake.
The fact that NO team wanted to trade for him should be a clue.
I agree about the dead weight on this team. But addition by subtraction i terms of work ethic applies to one Blake COMA. WORST DEFENSIVE player we had. Often out of position, skating with his head down and is pond hockey tendencies were maddening.
That's not true Steve.....he was a good PK'er and got back every shift, putting him FAR ahead of Rolston, Nino, PAP, Pandolfo and his taking assignments put him ahead of Moulson, Grabner (slightly) and Pandolfo as well.
His issue was the circling (if you have talent and play for the Isles long enough, you don't trust our keystone cop passing game, I guess) and refusal to go down the middle 98% of the time.
I would say the time on LI's circus ruined him.
I just pulled up the Newsday article on Campoli DESPERATELY wanting out of this circus prior to his trade to freedom (Ottawa). He stated unequivocally thatGorton's game minimized if not made it impossible to play his game. I remember Comeau's early days with us he looked more like a three zone guy with size on the boards. The last few weeks with the Isles I saw a guy who just did whatever he could knowing he had no support (Bailey and Rolston) and just went snakebitten.
Sutter will hopefully get him back on his game and get him to drive the net/use his size, but the main thing is he has a real coach now unlike Sparky McScrotum or Pete Griffen, Deli Guy.
But that said, I still think he was far better even when not scoring than Rolston, Reasoner and Pandolfo and even Nino. The Isles? I don't know their criteria for quality, so I have a chance at not bleeding from my ears from brain trauma.
Exactly, Comeau is not the answer but he is a better answer than the Devils rejects , Wallace and Nino this year.
I disagree with this. Something was wrong with Comeau mentally. He was flat out the worst player on this team when he was playing. 0 points and -11 in 16 games? No other player matched that level of non-production. When he was waived he was the only scoreless forward and had the worst +/- on the team. Getting rid of him was a smart move.
It's not just about about better players, you have to take into affect roles as well.
Nino's role? 4th line?
Comeau had MORE potential in terms of production but for me, looking at his yearly struggles on his end of the redline and constant decline in that area were most telling.
Wallace is more responsible as a 4th liner if that is to be his role. To have Comeau on a 3rd line avoiding the dirty areas, going wide is the reason for his decline.
This I totally agree with.
You get him with a Sillinger type and a solid passing center and he has a line. Put him with two poofkahs and we see the desperate circling and struggle to keep the puck in the zone.
At least Bailey has the proper talent on his line now
That's not true Steve.....he was a good PK'er and got back every shift, putting him FAR ahead of Rolston, Nino, PAP, Pandolfo and his taking assignments put him ahead of Moulson, Grabner (slightly) and Pandolfo as well.
His issue was the circling (if you have talent and play for the Isles long enough, you don't trust our keystone cop passing game, I guess) and refusal to go down the middle 98% of the time.
I would say the time on LI's circus ruined him.
I just pulled up the Newsday article on Campoli DESPERATELY wanting out of this circus prior to his trade to freedom (Ottawa). He stated unequivocally thatGorton's game minimized if not made it impossible to play his game. I remember Comeau's early days with us he looked more like a three zone guy with size on the boards. The last few weeks with the Isles I saw a guy who just did whatever he could knowing he had no support (Bailey and Rolston) and just went snakebitten.
Sutter will hopefully get him back on his game and get him to drive the net/use his size, but the main thing is he has a real coach now unlike Sparky McScrotum or Pete Griffen, Deli Guy.
But that said, I still think he was far better even when not scoring than Rolston, Reasoner and Pandolfo and even Nino. The Isles? I don't know their criteria for quality, so I have a chance at not bleeding from my ears from brain trauma.
that last line!!!
COMA was ok on the PK, not consistent though.
His defensive game regressed last year, was sick and tired of screaming at the bastid to stay on his check on HIS wing...and he was what? 2nd worst in +/-?
I know the argument is that we should have never given up an asset as a waiver. There is alot of dead weight on this team because of the cap floor necessity. However Blake COMA has one person to thank for his predicament, himself IMO.
I disagree with this. Something was wrong with Comeau mentally. He was flat out the worst player on this team when he was playing. 0 points and -11 in 16 games? No other player matched that level of non-production. When he was waived he was the only scoreless forward and had the worst +/- on the team. Getting rid of him was a smart move.
If you look solely at stats, yeah. I tend to marvel at Streit's turnovers, Bailey's hedge/wait/throw aways of the puck, Rolston's EVERYTHING flubs, Nino's non-coverage in the defensive zone and losing the puck in transition with regularity (I'm warning - BE PATIENT as he's a mental player and will/is improving despite being rushed by our esteemed management), Grabner's inadequate start and our illustrious D being horrible in all areas, sucking the life out of Hamonic and AMac even.
A lot more happens when there's no puck going on net and to say he was the flat out worst is a disservice to our many players who struggled so hard to make bad hockey happen.
that last line!!!
COMA was ok on the PK, not consistent though.
His defensive game regressed last year, was sick and tired of screaming at the bastid to stay on his check on HIS wing...and he was what? 2nd worst in +/-?
I know the argument is that we should have never given up an asset as a waiver. There is alot of dead weight on this team because of the cap floor necessity. However Blake COMA has one person to thank for his predicament, himself IMO.
Hey, I agree.....but he shoulda been sent to Bridgeport. A claim against him THEN meant this brainthrust operation was at least losing him by doing the right thing.
(Wang needed his cap hit only so much and could have sent him down)
Hey, I agree.....but he shoulda been sent to Bridgeport. A claim against him THEN meant this brainthrust operation was at least losing him by doing the right thing.
(Wang needed his cap hit only so much and could have sent him down)
Wang/Snow would never risk paying anymore than necessary.
BTW, the fedex expenses on Sabres jerseys (Flatley HOF game) courtesy were about the same as a Cappy/Snow meal. No biggie.
