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01-20-2012, 11:06 AM
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Gauthier is on his 2nd year as a GM, so, he paid a 2nd for wiz last year, and Spacek for Kaberle this year

so yeah, its pretty much that
Gauthier /Gainey 2003 till 2012....

Habs SUNK tons down the Markov hole...
Go add it up ...the real cost of Markov.

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due to injury.

As i said imagine Rick D was named Carey Price instead.



Now how freaking good does the contract look now?

Rick D was drafted first overall, expections on him was just not from Islanders.....


Again Carey Price locked 15 yrs 5 yrs ago, someone looks like a genius...
We don't know that the future holds, and I would hate anyone tying a team for 15 years on a goalie, the sport is too rough and injury-full to remove all cautions and handout stupidly too long contracts

And again, If Markov was not hurt, this move, and maybe the team would look so good for making it

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01-20-2012, 11:07 AM
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Gauthier /Gainey 2003 till 2012....

Habs SUNK tons down the Markov hole...
Go add it up ...
Gainey is no longer the GM, Gauthier is, you can't fault one for the move of the other, it does not work that way

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01-20-2012, 11:07 AM
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The worst that can happen, is that Kaberle's contract will get devaluated in % by the increasing cap. Plus, with Cammaleri's contract coming off the books, the difference between his and Bourque's almost pays the Kaberle contract, plus, its not impossible he could be flipped to a team for a weak pick
Agreed.

Considering your animosity towards me, I'm glad we're on even grounds again.

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due to injury.

As i said imagine Rick D was named Carey Price instead.



Now how freaking good does the contract look now?

Rick D was drafted first overall, expections on him was just not from Islanders.....


Again Carey Price locked 15 yrs 5 yrs ago, someone looks like a genius...
It would have been awful either way. You cannot predict someone will perform at one level for the duration of a contract that long, let alone career.

It would have been a ****ing dumb contract no matter what.

Players' performances fluctuate, sometimes for the worse. Look no further than the man in my avatar. He's only 31. A few years ago he was an All-Star.

Things can change. Fast.

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01-20-2012, 11:10 AM
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Are you really suggesting Pierre doesn't feel his job is on the line and the only way to avoid getting the boot is to make a desperate move or two (read: Kaberle) to sneak into the playoffs and stay aboard?

Come on.
How does making desperate moves good for a GM? If anything he should make moves that ice a better teamn next year, pretty sure Molson knows this year is shot.

Kaberle was a buy low move, my only concern is he should be playing more and building his value instead of that 7 d-man rotation.

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01-20-2012, 11:11 AM
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Agreed.

Considering your animosity towards me, I'm glad we're on even grounds again.



It would have been awful either way. You cannot predict someone will perform at one level for the duration of a contract that long, let alone career.

It would have been a ****ing dumb contract no matter what.

Players' performances fluctuate, sometimes for the worse. Look no further than the man in my avatar. He's only 31. A few years ago he was an All-Star.

Things can change. Fast.
Isles we considered jokes for that type of contract....

Yet it's common place today


Kovy Ovy Crosby Vinny,Bierre....etc

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How does making desperate moves good for a GM? If anything he should make moves that ice a better teamn next year, pretty sure Molson knows this year is shot.
I wasn't saying desperate moves = good for a GM. You made my point exactly!

Kaberle was a buy low move, my only concern is he should be playing more and building his value instead of that 7 d-man rotation.

He was a buy low move, but he's definitely not low risk.

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01-20-2012, 11:14 AM
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I wasn't saying desperate moves = good for a GM. You made my point exactly!

Kaberle was a buy low move, my only concern is he should be playing more and building his value instead of that 7 d-man rotation.

He was a buy low move, but he's definitely not low risk.
What is the risk? His contract isn't 35+ so they have 3 options going forward...

If Markov comes back, you can trade him or waive him and let him go play in Europe and they pay half his salary anyways.

If Markov isn't back his LITR room can be used for the contract.

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01-20-2012, 11:18 AM
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Gainey is no longer the GM, Gauthier is, you can't fault one for the move of the other, it does not work that way
There still together....

and they were together to keep SINKIN it down the Markov hole.


Atlanta Thrashers traded Mathieu Schneider to the Montreal Canadiens for a second-round pick in 2009 and a third-round pick in 2010.

New York Islanders traded James Wisniewski to the Montreal Canadiens for a 2011 second-round draft pick and a conditional 2012 fifth-round draft pick.



Markov has played 52 reg season games from 2009 to 2012....

salary 5.75 million per year.



Kaberle to fix pp?4.0 million , owed 4.,25 million next yr , 4.5 million a yr in 2014

Habs power play DEAD LAST NOW .




So what does two 2 nd round picks, a 3rd round pick and 40 million dollars get you for a pp QB?


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01-20-2012, 11:19 AM
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you don't win cup with cap space
No but you can build a winner with cap space

That wasn't only a panic move, it was a horrible one as well going forward

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01-20-2012, 11:20 AM
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What is the risk? His contract isn't 35+ so they have 3 options going forward...

If Markov comes back, you can trade him or waive him and let him go play in Europe and they pay half his salary anyways.

If Markov isn't back his LITR room can be used for the contract.
The risk is that he ends up becoming a 4.25 million PP specialist playing limited minutes. I don't want that to happen (I'm not a downer on Kaberle either), but that's the risk considering his play over the last year.

As for getting rid of him, we'll see what happens with that. But considering PG hasn't dumped (waived/Europe) a bigger problem (cap-wise) in Scotty G, I'm not sure he would do the same for Kaberle.

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Agreed.

Considering your animosity towards me, I'm glad we're on even grounds again.
Animosity was when I was a HARDCORE FORUM WARRIOR

Now , its just the internets, and a bunch of people being relatively wron on it, doesn't affect me much at all

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Since when has scouting teams become such a bad thing?

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The risk is that he ends up becoming a 4.25 million PP specialist playing limited minutes. I don't want that to happen (I'm not a downer on Kaberle either), but that's the risk considering his play over the last year.

As for getting rid of him, we'll see what happens with that. But considering PG hasn't dumped (waived/Europe) a bigger problem (cap-wise) in Scotty G, I'm not sure he would do the same for Kaberle.
Gomez would be a miracle to dump. Probably will have to send him AHL, KHL, Europe unless his game picks up dramatically the last 35 games.

He did dump Cammalleri who is a worse contract than Kaberle(making 6 mil and on pace for 17 goals).

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The risk is that he ends up becoming a 4.25 million PP specialist playing limited minutes. I don't want that to happen (I'm not a downer on Kaberle either), but that's the risk considering his play over the last year.

As for getting rid of him, we'll see what happens with that. But considering PG hasn't dumped (waived/Europe) a bigger problem (cap-wise) in Scotty G, I'm not sure he would do the same for Kaberle.
Ya I'm sure Molson would be thrilled of paying over 10 million in salary for Gomez and Kaberle. Sometimes I wonder if poster's think. Let's go get a player 4.25 for 2 more years Geoff I think it could work and if it doesn't well we send him to Hamilton..... Great management we have here!!!

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01-20-2012, 11:23 AM
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No but you can build a winner with cap space*

That wasn't only a panic move, it was a horrible one as well going forward
No guarantees about that, See Buffalo

And for the cost of the transaction (Spacek), I still fail to see the problem about it, since Kaberle is better and is still tradeable/retireable/europable/smashedbyatrainable with no remainding cap-hit

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01-20-2012, 11:24 AM
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Ya I'm sure Molson would be thrilled of paying over 10 million in salary for Gomez and Kaberle. Sometimes I wonder if poster's think. Let's go get a player 4.25 for 2 more years Geoff I think it could work and if it doesn't well we send him to Hamilton..... Great management we have here!!!
They are both tradeable, no doubts about that

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No guarantees about that, See Buffalo

And for the cost of the transaction (Spacek), I still fail to see the problem about it, since Kaberle is better and is still tradeable/retireable/europable/smashedbyatrainable with no remainding cap-hit
For sure we could easily look at Buffalo and our selves years ago but the bottom line is with money and cap space you can target certain players going forward. With no Cap space and no great players coming from your system you're kind of screwed

That was a bad trade going forward, at least I'm sure Gauthier could have received a pick for taking on that salary going forward. Not sure he will be that "easy to trade"

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They are both tradeable, no doubts about that
Wow you're very optimistic, I sure hope you're right but I personally don't see them being moved

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Wow you're very optimistic, I sure hope you're right but I personally don't see them being moved
Cammaleri's contract was moved WITH GAINS for us, the sky is the limit

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Cammaleri's contract was moved WITH GAINS for us, the sky is the limit
Cammalleri can still help a team, Gomez can't and Kaberle has been playing like crap since last year. After seeing the Penner trade last year, I'm sure GM's will think twice going forward

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Gauthier all over league and even Gainey in St. Louis?

We are selling massively this tradeline.

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Gauthier all over league and even Gainey in St. Louis?

We are selling massively this tradeline.
As we should, despite what the ''DD is a legit 1st line C'' crowd thinks

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Kaberle to fix pp?4.0 million , owed 4.,25 million next yr , 4.5 million a yr in 2014

Habs power play DEAD LAST NOW


So what does two 2 nd round picks, a 3rd round pick and 40 million dollars get you for a pp QB?
Serious question, have you ever played hockey? Do you actually watch this team? Blaming the PP on Kaberle is hilarious, considering nobody is producing on it. His job is to move the puck around, he is a setup man on the PP. He is doing just that, moving the puck. You have clowns standing at the side of the net, not involved in the play, doing nothing at all.

Pleks is totally lost, so is AK. How can you single out Kaberle, and not Subban? The entire PP unit has nothing going on, but the weakest link isn't the offense from the blueline during the man advantage. Both Subban and Kaberle are moving the puck inside the offensive zone, and getting the puck to the correct spots.

The forwards have zero confidence and aren't doing their job on the PP, if you can't see how this works than you'll be a hater of whoever is on the blueline.

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As we should, despite what the ''DD is a legit 1st line C'' crowd thinks
Agreed. I'm very excited to try to knab another potential 1st line centre like Eller. DD is a 2nd line centre at best. I'd never put him against Malkin.

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