Well if this is true he's def there to scout nashville PG/BG rarely if ever trade within the eastern conference. I remember reading before x-mas that the habs had some intrest in Jordan Tootoo, but it was off one of those bogus sites
If there's no chance of getting Weber then this idea gets my vote. He's exactly the type of player that our 4th line needs.
Aren't you one of the guys who's always going on about the Habs having to get tougher and bigger?
And now PG should be going after a guy who's a 0.5 PPG guy in the AHL and who is all of 5'9" and 180-odd pounds? How do you go from MOAR SIZE, Konopka, Carkner etc. to targeting a guy who is 'pesky'?
New York might want Moen and, or Gill for a cup run.
So...
To New York: Travis Moen + Hal Gill
To Montreal: Chris Kreider + 2nd round draft pick in 2012
I don't see Gill and Moen going there, their defense is mostly stay at home d-men(Staal Giardi McDonagh) and they have tons of scrappers/bangers(Prust Rupp Boyle Newbury Deveaux Dubinsky).
If we have something they'd want it would be Weber as a point man and/or AK to add skill to the 2nd and 3rd line.
I find Kreider is very overrated as a prospect. He has good hands and speed but questionnable hockey sense. He will be more of a 20-25 goal 15 assist winger on a 2nd line than a 60-70 point center.
Gomez (believe it or not.....help's them get to the floor next year....they have cap room)
Kostytsyn (rental that they might actually be able to sign.....will help add some much needed offense)
Wilson and Smith are two guys I can see the Habs interested in, though they(Habs) may have to add a young player to make a deal work like maybe Palushaj.
I don't see Gill and Moen going there, their defense is mostly stay at home d-men(Staal Giardi McDonagh) and they have tons of scrappers/bangers(Prust Rupp Boyle Newbury Deveaux Dubinsky).
If we have something they'd want it would be Weber as a point man and/or AK to add skill to the 2nd and 3rd line.
I find Kreider is very overrated as a prospect. He has good hands and speed but questionnable hockey sense. He will be more of a 20-25 goal 15 assist winger on a 2nd line than a 60-70 point center.
Moen is a huge upgrade over these two. Gill is a sound PK specialist dman. Would be a upgrade over Woywitka, maybe offer a stability to the backend I find.
Gomez (believe it or not.....help's them get to the floor next year....they have cap room)
Kostytsyn (rental that they might actually be able to sign.....will help add some much needed offense)
Makes no sense what's so ever. If they have cap space and want to reach the cap floor they will sign Weber and Suter and they're done. They won't trade for Gomez and let Suter or Weber leave
Moen is a huge upgrade over these two. Gill is a sound PK specialist dman. Would be a upgrade over Woywitka, maybe offer a stability to the backend I find.
Those 2 are in the AHL. Point is they have no big need for guys like that. If they have a need it's to score more goals. Woywitka plays an offensive role on the Rangers.
if A.Kost is moving to nashville, there are a lot of interesting assets that could possibly be coming our way:
1st
Radulov's rights
Budish
Watson
Beck
Bourque
Geoffrion
j. smith
hard to get a feel for how much Nashville would value him and how much PG expects in return, but lot's there to leave hope that IF we move him we end up with a quality asset(s) moving forward.
if A.Kost is moving to nashville, there are a lot of interesting assets that could possibly be coming our way:
1st
Radulov's rights
Budish
Watson
Beck
Bourque
Geoffrion
j. smith
hard to get a feel for how much Nashville would value him and how much PG expects in return, but lot's there to leave hope that IF we move him we end up with a quality asset(s) moving forward.
Nashville definitely has some interesting forward prospects with size.
I would do AK for a 2nd (2012) + Budish/Watson/Beck
I hope PG does not overvalue his own opinion, after seeing player play 1 or 2 good or bad games. I'd rather a GM balance the opinions of several pro scouts, with statistical analysis, and not do his own scouting. It's human nature to value your own viewings over those of others - just look at the posts in this forum! I get nervous about big decisions being made based on small sample size info. Imagine a GM sees Gomez play only a few games, and one is last game vs the Rangers? It could be very misleading.
I hope PG does not overvalue his own opinion, after seeing player play 1 or 2 good or bad games. I'd rather a GM balance the opinions of several pro scouts, with statistical analysis, and not do his own scouting. It's human nature to value your own viewings over those of others - just look at the posts in this forum! I get nervous about big decisions being made based on small sample size info. Imagine a GM sees Gomez play only a few games, and one is last game vs the Rangers? It could be very misleading.
I don't even think Mike Milbury is that stupid.
The last minute scouting they do is usually to confirm what they already believe about a player. At times the will look at players coming back from injury to see if they look healthy, lower body inuries are they still moving ok.
Why was Gauthier scouting? I presume he was following up on reports he had already received from his NHL scouts. Since he was watching only two teams, I suppose his interest was confined to the players on the ice. IMO the question to be asked right now is not whom Gauthier is prepared to deal but rather on the needs of the Predators or Rangers (obviously the Rangers wouldn't touch Gomez with a 10-foot pole). Do the Preds want to lighten their payroll and perhaps make one of their star Dmen available?
I hope PG does not overvalue his own opinion, after seeing player play 1 or 2 good or bad games. I'd rather a GM balance the opinions of several pro scouts, with statistical analysis, and not do his own scouting. It's human nature to value your own viewings over those of others - just look at the posts in this forum! I get nervous about big decisions being made based on small sample size info. Imagine a GM sees Gomez play only a few games, and one is last game vs the Rangers? It could be very misleading.
He is a professional hockey scout. I am sure he understands what sample sizes are.
Why was Gauthier scouting? I presume he was following up on reports he had already received from his NHL scouts. Since he was watching only two teams, I suppose his interest was confined to the players on the ice. IMO the question to be asked right now is not whom Gauthier is prepared to deal but rather on the needs of the Predators or Rangers (obviously the Rangers wouldn't touch Gomez with a 10-foot pole). Do the Preds want to lighten their payroll and perhaps make one of their star Dmen available?
I highly doubt its anything of that magnitude.
My guess would be something like AK going to Nashville...maybe for a guy like Hornqvist?
I could see the Rangers maybe being interested in a guy like Gill, but i doubt he gets traded for a roster player, so it wouldn't seem necessary for PG to be there scouting anyone.
He is a professional hockey scout. I am sure he understands what sample sizes are.
I'm not sure he properly balances them. Do you think the Gomez trade was based on the balanced opinion of many scouts, along with statistical analysis of his career trajectory? If that was the case, I don't think the Habs make the trade. I'm willing to bet it was based on the "seen him good" reports of a very small number of people, one of whom was Gauthier.
I'm not sure he properly balances them. Do you think the Gomez trade was based on the balanced opinion of many scouts, along with statistical analysis of his career trajectory? If that was the case, I don't think the Habs make the trade. I'm willing to bet it was based on the "seen him good" reports of a very small number of people, one of whom was Gauthier.
Gainey was desperate for something resembling a #1 center and that's why the Gainey trade was made. Colombus also wanted him for a center for Nash.
Do you seriously think that if Gainey had been duped by Gauthier on Gomez that he would have recommended him as GM? THAT more than anything else shows it was not Gauthier's call.
I think Gainey had in the back of his mind that he could pretty easily dump Gomez the last 2-3 years on the contract as the salary dropped. If he was still producing at a 60 point a year pace he would be pretty easy to move next summer.
Gomez (believe it or not.....help's them get to the floor next year....they have cap room)
Kostytsyn (rental that they might actually be able to sign.....will help add some much needed offense)
After signing Weber, Rinne, and or Suter, they won't need to reach the cap floor anymore. They cleared space just for those contracts this coming summer.
Gainey was desperate for something resembling a #1 center and that's why the Gainey trade was made. Colombus also wanted him for a center for Nash.
Do you seriously think that if Gainey had been duped by Gauthier on Gomez that he would have recommended him as GM? THAT more than anything else shows it was not Gauthier's call.
But by doing that Gainey also saved his own butt and job while being in the "decor" and possibly having a say in all things Gauthier does. If Gauthier isn't hired and someone knew comes in, they wouldn't want Gainey next to him. As for the trade we will possibly never know, but IMO both are responsible up to a certain degree, Gainey more being the GM but I'm pretty sure Gauthier had a say in that as well. Unfortunately the truth ain't ever coming out
