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01-18-2012, 01:28 PM
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damn, I was convinced he had forgotten he owned the Rangers.

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I'm still baffled with the statement by Dolan "Sather came to me in 2004 and said we are going with Youth".

is this revisionist history or am I missing something ?

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01-18-2012, 03:04 PM
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I'm still baffled with the statement by Dolan "Sather came to me in 2004 and said we are going with Youth".

is this revisionist history or am I missing something ?
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I'm still baffled with the statement by Dolan "Sather came to me in 2004 and said we are going with Youth".

is this revisionist history or am I missing something ?
isn't that what happened? Last time I remember, in '04 Sather traded away everyone except Jagr (including Leetch) and began the rebuild we see today.

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01-18-2012, 03:44 PM
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isn't that what happened? Last time I remember, in '04 Sather traded away everyone except Jagr (including Leetch) and began the rebuild we see today.
I get that part up to they traded away everyone. I dont see any evidence that a commitment to youth was made until Gordie Clarks arrival.

I think big free agent signings and bad contracts still shaped the identity of the team from 2004 until we dumped them via banishment or trade.

For example: Redden ,Drury, Gomez. Roszival.

That gutting of the team did heed us Michael Sauer but nothing else. if there was a youth movement at that time I surely didnt think there was one. Did anybody else ?

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isn't that what happened? Last time I remember, in '04 Sather traded away everyone except Jagr (including Leetch) and began the rebuild we see today.
Sort of. The commitment to youth started with the lockout.

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I bet you, you can ask Dolan to name 5 current Rangers and he couldn't do it.

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I bet you, you can ask Dolan to name 5 current Rangers and he couldn't do it.
I'm sure the name Redden rings a bell.

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so the 2 -20 slide begins...

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I get that part up to they traded away everyone. I dont see any evidence that a commitment to youth was made until Gordie Clarks arrival.

I think big free agent signings and bad contracts still shaped the identity of the team from 2004 until we dumped them via banishment or trade.

For example: Redden ,Drury, Gomez. Roszival.

That gutting of the team did heed us Michael Sauer but nothing else. if there was a youth movement at that time I surely didnt think there was one. Did anybody else ?
I did. The players we got in the fire sale were less important that the shift in organizational philosophy at that point. The team had a ridiculous number of draft picks in that draft, including Dubinsky and Callahan.

It's not even close to revisionist history. Notice how we haven't traded away any youth since then? (except in deals for more, different, youth) Just because we didn't have much youth ready to plug into the lineup in 2005 doesn't mean there wasn't a commitment to youth. In fact, the average age of the team has gone down just about every year since the lockout until last year. The mirroring of the NHL and AHL teams began then too and the AHL's system changed when the NHL team changed coaches.

The farm system, for juniors/college through Connecticut, was bankrupt in 2004. A single draft, even one in which they took 13 players, isn't going to yield you very many players for a few years and even then, success rates are around 30%, so you're talking about 3 or 4 guys and you're still talking 3-5 years down the road before they're really making any kind of impact.

The current product you're seeing is a result of the organizational shift that took place in 2004. Yes, the identity of the team in those intervening years were defined by external players: Jagr, Shanahan, Gomez, Drury, etc. There was a lot going on in terms of a youth movement behind all of it.


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01-18-2012, 05:19 PM
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This was just the topic of conversation on Around the Horn. Everybody said Dolan should go away.

Cowlishaw said the Rangers are a very good team who needs a little more offense to put them over the top. Shocking analysis.

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01-19-2012, 12:28 AM
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The current product you're seeing is a result of the organizational shift that took place in 2004. Yes, the identity of the team in those intervening years were defined by external players: Jagr, Shanahan, Gomez, Drury, etc. There was a lot going on in terms of a youth movement behind all of it.
There is a lot that was good in what you posted, but I wanted to highlight the above. I swear, the way people talk about Sather you would think he organized Kristallnacht or something. The guy made some horrible mistakes, but here is the bottom line:

Ryan Callahan
Brandon Dubinsky
Henrik Lundqvist
Marc Staal
Mike Sauer
Ryan MacDonagh
Michael Del Zotto
Dan Girardi
Derek Stepan
Carl Hagelin
Artem Anisimov

If that's not a youth movement I don't know what is.

When was the last time the Rangers had a team with this many home grown players?

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01-19-2012, 12:44 AM
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There is a lot that was good in what you posted, but I wanted to highlight the above. I swear, the way people talk about Sather you would think he organized Kristallnacht or something. The guy made some horrible mistakes, but here is the bottom line:

Ryan Callahan
Brandon Dubinsky
Henrik Lundqvist
Marc Staal
Mike Sauer
Ryan MacDonagh
Michael Del Zotto
Dan Girardi
Derek Stepan
Carl Hagelin
Artem Anisimov

If that's not a youth movement I don't know what is.

When was the last time the Rangers had a team with this many home grown players?
Thats quite a list you got going on there.

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01-19-2012, 03:22 AM
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i bet the "thing" Dolan gave back to Sather was either a resignation letter or herpes.

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Sort of. The commitment to youth started with the lockout.
It did, but I think it's important to remember the circumstances of what was essentially a firesale...The 03-04 team was possibly the most disgraceful of all during the dark years. They were talented, but past their prime. Overpaid & underperforming. And let's not forget, they were coached by Sather himself. We were essentially eliminated from playoff contention before the deadline.

Sather committed to youth, but what were the motives? That's the interesting question to me.

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This just makes the first round exit much more painful

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Would just make A first round exit much more painful
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So, the very next game, after Dolan opens his mouth about the rangers being close to a cup......

Rangers lose to Pittsburgh 4-1

Thanks Dolan.....

You worthless jackass !!


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So, the very next game, after Dolan opens his mouth about the rangers being close to a cup......

Rangers lose to Pittsburgh 4-1

Thanks Dolan.....

You worthless jackass !!
Expect anything different?

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i read the title as, "...cup in rear."

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i read the title as, "...cup in rear."
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