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02-02-2012, 05:14 PM
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No you won't, not unless you look back before the present millenia. That's what you don't get. And yes, the facts (other known cases) show a higher probability of him coming back to form, and the historical facts show that when he's up to form, this team is a 100 points team, no matter the goalie. Deal with it.
Orthopedic surgeons disagree with you. And so far, Markov's knee disagrees with you as well.

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Human beings are not robots where you can simply replace a part and have it back working at 100%.

Here is something to consider........

ACL reconstruction surgery has a success rate of 80-90%. However, that leaves a substantial number of patients that have unsatisfactory results. Eight percent of these poor results are thought to be due to knee instability or re-rupture of the ACL graft. Failure of an ACL reconstruction is often hard to describe. The patient can have complaints of knee instability, pain, stiffness, or the inability to return to desired activities. Treatment for failed ACLs is complex and technically challenging, and the results of revision ACL surgery are not as good a primary ACL reconstruction.

http://www.scoi.com/revision-acl.htm

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The patient must understand that the results of revision ACL reconstructions are not as good as the initial ACL and the goal of the revision is to allow the patient to do their activities of daily living instead of return to competitive athletics. The patient should have realistic goals and understand all of the issues, but can be reassured that with the proper evaluation, treatment, and rehabilitation, a successful outcome can be expected in most cases.

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02-02-2012, 05:24 PM
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The patient must understand that the results of revision ACL reconstructions are not as good as the initial ACL and the goal of the revision is to allow the patient to do their activities of daily living instead of return to competitive athletics. The patient should have realistic goals and understand all of the issues, but can be reassured that with the proper evaluation, treatment, and rehabilitation, a successful outcome can be expected in most cases.

The people who are saying that once Markov comes back he will be as good as he was before the surgeries are simply showing willful naivete or wishful thinking.

Yes Markov is an elite athlete and I am sure that his conditioning and preparation is above par as well. The problem is that his injury is to a ligament.

With all that said, Markov should not even come close to trying to play this year. That would be foolish on PG's part to allow him to play even if he says he is ready for this season. The risk/reward leans too far to the former and not nearly enough to the latter.

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02-02-2012, 05:37 PM
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If the doctors give Markov the green light this year then he should play.

1. to test his knee in real game situations, so that we don't wait until next October to find out something is still wrong.

2. Ease him in slowly to get rid of jitters. It will take him sometime to get his swag back. I'd rather that be now then October

3. Actually, If Markov is deemed ready, there are no reasons I can think of to keep him from playing. It is what it is, if his knee fails him now, it will in Oct.......and if he happens to get hurt again by freak accident, well that's just how it goes.

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If the doctors give Markov the green light this year then he should play.

1. to test his knee in real game situations, so that we don't wait until next October to find out something is still wrong.

2. Ease him in slowly to get rid of jitters. It will take him sometime to get his swag back. I'd rather that be now then October

3. Actually, If Markov is deemed ready, there are no reasons I can think of to keep him from playing. It is what it is, if his knee fails him now, it will in Oct.......and if he happens to get hurt again by freak accident, well that's just how it goes.
I would rather have it fail now than in October...huge advantage is if it fails now you have the summer and UFA's to potentially replace him.

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02-02-2012, 05:39 PM
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The people who are saying that once Markov comes back he will be as good as he was before the surgeries are simply showing willful naivete or wishful thinking.

Yes Markov is an elite athlete and I am sure that his conditioning and preparation is above par as well. The problem is that his injury is to a ligament.

With all that said, Markov should not even come close to trying to play this year. That would be foolish on PG's part to allow him to play even if he says he is ready for this season. The risk/reward leans too far to the former and not nearly enough to the latter.

If his knee is ready then he needs to play. Clearly he is not being rushed. I think we can all agree on that.

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The people who are saying that once Markov comes back he will be as good as he was before the surgeries are simply showing willful naivete or wishful thinking.

Yes Markov is an elite athlete and I am sure that his conditioning and preparation is above par as well. The problem is that his injury is to a ligament.

With all that said, Markov should not even come close to trying to play this year. That would be foolish on PG's part to allow him to play even if he says he is ready for this season. The risk/reward leans too far to the former and not nearly enough to the latter.
The ligament that was injured was taken our and replaced by another one.

Why would playing this year be any more risky than playing next year?

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02-02-2012, 05:53 PM
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I would rather have it fail now than in October...huge advantage is if it fails now you have the summer and UFA's to potentially replace him.
We can do this anyway.

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We can do this anyway.
How so?

Say he blows out his ACL again on November 15th(versus March 15th), who can you just go out and sign?

At least if it happens now you have almost 6 mil of cap room that you can use from LITR replacement. In October you can also use it but then you have to make a trade, by that point nobody is yet eliminated.

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The people who are saying that once Markov comes back he will be as good as he was before the surgeries are simply showing willful naivete or wishful thinking.

Yes Markov is an elite athlete and I am sure that his conditioning and preparation is above par as well. The problem is that his injury is to a ligament.

With all that said, Markov should not even come close to trying to play this year. That would be foolish on PG's part to allow him to play even if he says he is ready for this season. The risk/reward leans too far to the former and not nearly enough to the latter.
If he's cleared to play, then he'll play. There's no benefit to keeping him out when he's healed. Someone that is healed cannot heal more.

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02-02-2012, 05:59 PM
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How so?

Say he blows out his ACL again on November 15th(versus March 15th), who can you just go out and sign?

At least if it happens now you have almost 6 mil of cap room that you can use from LITR replacement. In October you can also use it but then you have to make a trade, by that point nobody is yet eliminated.
Dude, we should expect that he'll blow out his ACL in November. That's my point. PLAN for it. Assume it will happen. If Markov is in good shape then great but don't expect it.

What part of this don't you understand?

Problem is of course that we're running out of runway on the cap because we keep absorbing more dumb contracts like Kaberle's.

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02-02-2012, 06:00 PM
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If he's cleared to play, then he'll play. There's no benefit to keeping him out when he's healed. Someone that is healed cannot heal more.
Well, there is some benefit but uh... we can't talk about that.

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02-02-2012, 06:02 PM
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How so?

Say he blows out his ACL again on November 15th(versus March 15th), who can you just go out and sign?

At least if it happens now you have almost 6 mil of cap room that you can use from LITR replacement. In October you can also use it but then you have to make a trade, by that point nobody is yet eliminated.
I believe LG's point is that we should sign someone anyways this summer.
He's right.

Even if Markov plays the last two months and is amazing, it's still a small sample and we can't take another gamble on him next season. We did it this year and got screwed, don't do the same mistake twice.

The cap space no longer is an issue imo. You have a lot of space now. We're also likely to fix the Gomez situation, either buying him out or sending him down. That would create a big chunk of change too. Not to mention the possibility of the cap increasing yet again.

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It all depends on what is up with Moen. I'm sure Cunneyworth won't rush him if not needed. Could be good for him if he gets sent for a stint with the Dogs, but could also backfire if something were to go wrong. We're pretty low on bodies at forward right now so i think he'll stick around.
Does anyone know, other than "upper body injury", what is wrong with Moen?

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02-03-2012, 10:36 AM
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I read on twitter that Markov has been been spending all his rehab time practicing for Battle of the Blades and the figure skates are responsible for all of his setbacks.

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Does anyone know, other than "upper body injury", what is wrong with Moen?
I hope he's gonna be healthy before the Trade deadline. I would had like that Gionta be healthy too, but won't happen.

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This is disgraceful, I hope you guys are proud of yourselves and your ridiculously immature attempt at witty one-liners while reveling in the misfortune of the best player on your favourite team. Seriously, why come to this thread and hang around making stupid posts like this? Find something better to do with your life other than cheering for the guy to be constantly injured / retired.


Needed to be said. I hope that if we do finish in an abysmal spot, only the real fans remain (though it would only last until we start winning again). Probably not going to happen, but a man can dream can't he?

Hope Markov if/when he comes back can stay healthy, love that guy.

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The worst thing about this forum is the number of people who pretend they know anything about reconstructive surgery, and more importantly, the complications that Markov faced with his.
To my knowledge, not one surgeon who operated on Markov visits this forum, yet we have many experts comments.
It's getting a little bit sickening to see all the speculation that is going on actually.

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If this team had a healthy Markov since the beginning of the season we be in the playoffs.

Just sit back and think about how many injuries this team went through again this year. It's unreal. Not one team in the NHL could have survived to the payoffs with the injuries we had.

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The worst thing about this forum is the number of people who pretend they know anything about reconstructive surgery, and more importantly, the complications that Markov faced with his.
To my knowledge, not one surgeon who operated on Markov visits this forum, yet we have many experts comments.
It's getting a little bit sickening to see all the speculation that is going on actually.
Dr Recchi's EVERYWHERE

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On the CBC feed Gauthier told Elliot Friedman that he expects Markov to get 20 games in this year and something along the lines of "Markovs not trying to continue his career, hes trying to restart his career". They were showing him doing balance drills where hed skate on one leg, and bend at the knee etc.

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On the CBC feed Gauthier told Elliot Friedman that he expects Markov to get 20 games in this year and something along the lines of "Markovs not trying to continue his career, hes trying to restart his career". They were showing him doing balance drills where hed skate on one leg, and bend at the knee etc.
He said he would like to see him get 20 games in not that he would get 20 games in. Watching the clip Markov doesn't look like he is anyplace close to resuming game type of skating and activity.

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Of course not, just making a point that these "facts" are meaningless.
I absolutely wholeheartedly agree!




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If Markov is truly finished, then the sooner he and the Habs realize it the better. The same is true if he isn't. I don't see how another 6 months of nursing the knee can make it significantly healthier than it is now. Why put it through further torture if it can't help?

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Blunden placed on IR.

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#canadiens Mike Blunden (genou) sur la liste des blessés. Blundes (knee) on IR.

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