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01-18-2012, 02:00 PM
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Would love NHL movie that compares to Moneyball

Well, I hate baseball, a lot. Moneyball was a great movie though that had some truth to it, and lots of actual MLB based people in it.

Wouldn't it be great if there was an NHL movie that was based around a time that wasn't all that long ago? (Moneyball was based around 2002 for comparison) Possibly do a movie leading up to the 04 lock out and during it???

Or even a time-line style of movie from spring 04 to fall 05 that skips through the interesting things that played out over that span (bertuzzi incident, cup, lock out, Lemieux's final games). That would be hard to pull off though because how would you have main characters....?

It would be fun to see some behind the scenes even if it is acting. We would hear about/or see some NHL players that are retired, and some really young up in comers... As in maybe that young, Russian Ovechkin kid or the highly touted prospect from Nova Scotia.

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I would too. You could go one that started around the start of the lockout takes us through the lockout and the end of it and ends with the 2005-2006 season finale.

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For this to happen, wouldn't there first have to be an actual statistical revolution in hockey, rather than just a vocal minority constantly being belittled and stifled by old-school, dinosaur, "insider" types?

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There's no storyline in hockey attached to "moneypuck"... the best hope for a script would be a two hour movie following around a few stats nerds as they win arguments on the internet.

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I could see that happening... Money ball was a great movie really made me want to root for the A's lol

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if they took out the circus events that occurred in the WHA they could probably do one regarding that league's inception through merger

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They should do a dramatized version of the Gretzky trade/sale to LA. You could show Pocklington and McNall having clandestine meetings in dark corners of basement parking garages and so on.

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There's no storyline in hockey attached to "moneypuck"... the best hope for a script would be a two hour movie following around a few stats nerds as they win arguments on the internet.
HAHAHA! plusminus and overpass would star in it?

(I love their stats, btw)

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For this to happen, wouldn't there first have to be an actual statistical revolution in hockey, rather than just a vocal minority constantly being belittled and stifled by old-school, dinosaur, "insider" types?
Tbh, it would really only take one team having consistent success on a low budget by using advanced statistical analysis. The big Whigs on the league may be slow at accepting changezl, but they copy each other with aplomb.

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They should do a dramatized version of the Gretzky trade/sale to LA. You could show Pocklington and McNall having clandestine meetings in dark corners of basement parking garages and so on.
McNall could meet in a parking garage and interupt the meeting for 5 minutes to go sell a counterfeit, hot Roman coin to a Saudi Prince.

Pockington could interupt the meeting to go beat a grandmother in a wheelchair and steal cotton candy from her grandson.

Perfect!

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As an A's fan, I loved Moneyball. But the whole premise was that Oakland was disadvantaged because it is in a smaller market with less money coming in. The NHL's salary cap eliminates that problem. A realistic scenario similar to Moneyball that I could see is if Phoenix goes on a deep playoff run and eventually gains enough fans to get a buyer and stay in the desert long term. George Clooney will play Tippet. Vince Vaughn will be Bissonnette.

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Moneyball does not translate to NHL as well. Stats tell you very little in hockey compared to baseball. Any attempt to go Moneyball like the A's did would end in abject failure if you were in NHL GM

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Moneyball does not translate to NHL as well. Stats tell you very little in hockey compared to baseball. Any attempt to go Moneyball like the A's did would end in abject failure if you were in NHL GM
I don't think it would quite work like you're saying. The Sabremetrics touches certain aspects of baseball. The way they scout high schoolers, for instance. For example, if one of a team's big pitching prospects has a low strikeout to walk ratio considering his arm strength and, that's something that may have been seen through statistical analysis but whose resolution would not be through statistical analysis (because telling a kid to strikeout more batters while walking less isn't exactly helpful). But it is important for determining how much offense you need for your strong defensive catcher to be a respectable long term starting option, for determining what pitch counts maximize a player's value and most importantly all, determining how much you should pay players. Someone didn't just walk up to Jose Bautista and say "Hey, could you hit more homeruns? You'd be a lot better if you were the best home run hitter in baseball", they tinkered with a hitch in his swing, taught him to be more patient at the plate, showed how to read pitchers better, etc. Ritch Winter, the agent, said that 3 of the teams in the final 8 last year were "Moneypuck" teams (which I am fairly certain are Detroit, Vancouver and Tampa Bay). It should help in projecting the production of an AHLer into the NHL but wouldn't do jack to determining whether he would be a fit with your 2nd line centre or how fast he would be able to pick up your PK system. It would affect certain draft decisions, free agent signings and trade offers but no one is seriously suggesting that it will replace traditional scouting since even baseball doesn't work like that.

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