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01-19-2012, 01:57 PM
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Zach Stepan, F, Shattuck St. Mary's

Stepan just continues to impress in every possible way. Stepan's leadership abilities were a critical part of Shattuck-St. Mary's success at the World Sport School Challenge in Calgary, Alberta. He shows well in faceoff dots. Good skater. Stays with puck well. Tough to shake on forecheck. Shows some great vision with the puck and has great set up man ability on the PP. Stepan lead tournament with 13 points in 4 games, including four goals against Slovakia.


this kid is on the rise and look and what school he went to hahaha!! Seems like an interesting kid, hes not rated in the top 30 right now but look at what happened with Huberdeau!! never know

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My friend you are probably one of the most enjoyable posters to read here in HF. I'm just so annoyed with this NHL 2k12 generation that think trades are so easy and that rebuilding is so easy to do. You sound like you have some life experience, so tell me: If a corporation decided to rebuild and not be competitive for 3 to 5 years how would the share holders react? In this case the shareholders are the season ticket holders and to a certain extent the people who pay 200$ a month for tv and internet. They are the ones that should matter to the organisation, they pay the bills. That's why I was asking those questions. Find me a season ticket holder that pays thousands of dollars a year, that wants to see a **** team for the next few years, and that will continue to pay if that is the case.
That's the thing... more are delusionnal enough to think that "oh well, we'll keep losing this season and well be better next season already since we'll have a top 5/10 pick"...

while in REALITY (that's the title of the thread afterall) is that once you started to sell anyone old enough or UFA etc... you're pretty muich guaranteed to rely on borderline AHLers or fillers for the next season or two... team need to ice 20 players every game, they'll need bodies... and even if we have a boatload of $, most UFA (top players) will not sign here... just like they dont sign in NYI (for example) or CLB...

so IMO, the reality is that their season ticket for this year is already bought in, they'll probably buy again for next season, the "excitement" of watching young guys grow and developp will make some of them do that...

but it's after that... after a 2nd or 3rd straight year of losing ? once they realize that our good players today are 35/36 (Cole) or 32/33 (Plekanec, Gionta, Bourque, etc) and are declining and that some of our young players are only a year or two away from UFA status (Price, Patches, Subban) and we may lose some of them...

that's when we'll see them stop buying tickets... and no one willing to replace them as new tickets or season-tickets holders... just like no one was intersted in watching both Kovalchuk and Heatley in Atlanta, and none are going to the Clb or NYI games...

why ? cause it sucks balls to spend $ to watch your team lose every game (so to speak)... at this point, might as well save some $ and watch highlights on 10:00 PM news

I mean, some already stopped watching we all know it... and we're not even in our first full year of suckage...

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I think a re-build is the only way to go and with the following players.

Pacioretty - Drafted player - Cole (C)
Bourque - Eller - Gallagher
Drafted player - Leblanc - Kristo
Drafted player - White - Drafted player

Tinordi - Subban
Gorges - Beaulieu
Drafted player - Emelin

Price
Drafted player
Morgan Ellis can go in here , this kid has been doing awesome!!

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Bunch of fake fans!




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Bunch of fake fans!



no surprise... real Q though, wich "group" is moer likely to buy ticks for next game ?

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no surprise... real Q though, wich "group" is moer likely to buy ticks for next game ?
I refused free ones at work in the last 3 weeks, I'm definitely not paying for tickets this season

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I refused free ones at work in the last 3 weeks, I'm definitely not paying for tickets this season
and we're just half way trough our first season of "suckage"...

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and we're just half way trough our first season of "suckage"...
75% of people at the Bell Centre don't pay their ticket, if not more

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75% of people at the Bell Centre don't pay their ticket, if not more
well, someone has to pay for them ticks, wether it's the guy on the seat himself or it was a gift doesnt change much...

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are we worst than thoses teams?

23 BUFFALO NE 46 19 22 5 43 17 114 140 -26 11-9-5 8-13-0 2-2 2-6-2 LOST 3
24 MONTRÉAL NE 46 17 21 8 42 16 116 126 -10 8-9-7 9-12-1 1-6 4-5-1 LOST 1
25 NY ISLANDERS ATL 44 17 21 6 40 14 106 134 -28 10-11-3 7-10-3 3-2 6-4-0 WON 1
26 TAMPA BAY SE 45 18 23 4 40 16 126 159 -33 12-7-1 6-16-3 2-3 3-6-1 WON 1
27 CAROLINA SE 48 16 24 8 40 16 124 156 -32 11-11-3 5-13-5 0-4 4-4-2 OT 1
28 ANAHEIM PAC 45 16 22 7 39 15 119 140 -21 11-12-1 5-10-6 1-4 6-3-1 WON 3
29 EDMONTON NW 45 17 24 4 38 16 116 131 -15 11-7-3 6-17-1 1-3 2-7-1 LOST 1
30 COLUMBUS CEN 45 13 27 5 31 10 110 149 -39 8-12-3 5-15-2 3-4 4-5-1 WON 1

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are we worst than thoses teams?

23 BUFFALO NE 46 19 22 5 43 17 114 140 -26 11-9-5 8-13-0 2-2 2-6-2 LOST 3
24 MONTRÉAL NE 46 17 21 8 42 16 116 126 -10 8-9-7 9-12-1 1-6 4-5-1 LOST 1
25 NY ISLANDERS ATL 44 17 21 6 40 14 106 134 -28 10-11-3 7-10-3 3-2 6-4-0 WON 1
26 TAMPA BAY SE 45 18 23 4 40 16 126 159 -33 12-7-1 6-16-3 2-3 3-6-1 WON 1
27 CAROLINA SE 48 16 24 8 40 16 124 156 -32 11-11-3 5-13-5 0-4 4-4-2 OT 1
28 ANAHEIM PAC 45 16 22 7 39 15 119 140 -21 11-12-1 5-10-6 1-4 6-3-1 WON 3
29 EDMONTON NW 45 17 24 4 38 16 116 131 -15 11-7-3 6-17-1 1-3 2-7-1 LOST 1
30 COLUMBUS CEN 45 13 27 5 31 10 110 149 -39 8-12-3 5-15-2 3-4 4-5-1 WON 1
Montreal is not as bad as their record indicates, just look at our goals for and against. Sometimes it doesn't take very much for a team to be good or bad. Anaheim should be doing a little better, and they are lately. I'm surprised how far Buffalo and Tampa have fallen, but Tampa's defence (because of injuries) and goaltending are crap. The rest just aren't very good teams.

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What do you suggest Molson do going forward? Hire an imbecile and ice an AHL calibre team the next 3 years?
I've been very clear what we should do. And again, I've explained it this to you many times.
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Running the team at the cap floor and having it suck for 2-3 years would be business suicide for him in Quebec, the outrage would be 50x the english coach crap.
BS. The club has basically sucked for 15 years. 2 or 3 more isn't going to suddenly wipe the Canadiens off the map.
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There is no ONE formula for winning a cup or getting to contender status. For every Pittsburgh and Chicago that the franchise turned around after multiple lottery picks, you have the Blue Jackets, Islanders, Thrashers etc that had numerous lottery picks and the team stayed near the bottom, those teams are going on 10-12 years of futility...don't think it's something to aspire to.
The Thrashers landed a couple of 50 goal scorers out of it. Too bad one of them wound up killing a teammate and wanted out. They also drafted an awesome goalie who was hurt more than he was healthy. The Blue Jackets (the freakin' Blue Jackets man) have actually had a Rocket Richard winner. The Islanders had basically a Stanley Cup caliber team that was traded away by an idiot GM.

Those clubs were bad DESPITE the top picks man, not because of them. And we have bettter scouting here than they do, plus unlike those clubs we actually have stuff to build around right now.

And again, what the heck are you even doing in this thread?
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I don't think ANYBODY is suggesting we don't need changes, but there are a lot of good pieces that can be part of a contender, some need to be retained, others need to be developped. Being bottom 5 for more than a year will have a negative impact on the young players.
Really? Wow, I wonder how in the world Steve Yzerman ever became the superstar he did on all those terrible teams. Ditto with Lemieux, Sakic, Crosby and tons of others. RNH and Hall seem to be doing just fine btw.

You are grasping at straws here. We aren't that good a hockey club man. Just accept it. Once you do, you'll actually understand that it needs a rebuild.
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My friend you are probably one of the most enjoyable posters to read here in HF. I'm just so annoyed with this NHL 2k12 generation that think trades are so easy and that rebuilding is so easy to do. You sound like you have some life experience, so tell me: If a corporation decided to rebuild and not be competitive for 3 to 5 years how would the share holders react? In this case the shareholders are the season ticket holders and to a certain extent the people who pay 200$ a month for tv and internet. They are the ones that should matter to the organisation, they pay the bills. That's why I was asking those questions. Find me a season ticket holder that pays thousands of dollars a year, that wants to see a **** team for the next few years, and that will continue to pay if that is the case.
We've had a lousy product for 15 years and the customers have spoken. The building is packed all the time, the team is worth more than it ever was and we have corporate sponsorship and TV deals that other teams would kill for. Go call up and see if you can get seasons tickets. How many years will you have to wait in line?

Two or three years of actually building a club that would in all likelyhood be much better for the forseeable future is a small price to pay. Any good businessman with a long term vision would see this. And how long can the brand withstand mediocre hockey? Better to make changes now in the short term rather than dragging it out with endless bubble teams. At some point the fans will forget what a great franchise this really is. Heck, the players we drafted this year won't have even been born the last time we won a cup.

Businesses spend incredible amounts on ROI to ensure that they remain competitive. We have not done this. We have ignored ROI to the point where we are perpetually icing mediocre teams season after season. We've invested in the scouting group yes... but we've given them nothing to work with.

It's kind of like hiring a group of MIT students and giving them mainframe computers to work with. It's counterproductive and you aren't likely going to go anywhere no matter how smart those guys are. They need to be given the proper tools to work with.

We sit there and try to build contending teams with guys like Chris Higgins. Higgins was actually a great pick for where we got him. You don't usually find 30+ goal scorers at the number 14 slot. And while that's great... if he's the kind of player that you're going to be building your teams around you're never going to win anything. Ditto with Thomas Plekanec (another very good hockey player we got much later than we should've.)

Tinordi, Beaulieu, Leblanc... all decent prospects. They could turn out to be decent NHLers but none are going to have the impact that you really need to build a championship team. At some point (if you want to actually win something) you have to take some chances. The biggest risk in life is not taking one. If you never take chances you never improve. That's why we are where we are. We continue to do the same things over and over and expect a different result. It's the definition of insanity and it's how we've run our team for a long time now.

As for the whole NHL2K remark... funny, that's exactly how management has been running this team. Player A drops Kovalev, Tanguay and Koivu and replaces them with Cammy, Gionta and Koivu. It looks like a big change but at the end of the day... it's not.


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Montreal is not as bad as their record indicates, just look at our goals for and against. Sometimes it doesn't take very much for a team to be good or bad. Anaheim should be doing a little better, and they are lately. I'm surprised how far Buffalo and Tampa have fallen, but Tampa's defence (because of injuries) and goaltending are crap. The rest just aren't very good teams.
Our goals and against are hugely inflated by two games where we scored 15 or 16 goals. We've been lously offensively almost all year long. The only thing we've been decent at is keeping pucks out of the net.

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What makes you guys think Kopitar would make this team any better? If we had Kopitar and Price then yes we would be much better(assuming we kept all our players). However with Kopitar we have a number 1 centre but lose a franchise goalie/number 1 goalie. And no I am not convinced a certain unnamed goalie can be a true solid number 1 goalie in this league. But let's not get into that debate again.

So many of you love to whine it's ridiculous. Nobody whined about us drafting Price instead of Kopitar last year, but of-course, when Price isn't having a mvp calibre season like he had last year all of you come of out the woodwork.

I like Kopitar, but what has he achieved with the Kings? What has he done in LA to convince you that our team would be better off with him than Price other than the fact that he is a big number 1 centre?

Trading Price could fetch us a solid number 1 centre, sure. But then you would find yourself looking for another Price.

When you want to trade for a weakness you should trade from where you have the most depth. Right now we have a fairly solid group of offensive defensemen prospects/youngsters. So I would look for Beaulieu+Karbele/Weber(heck id trade all three providing that we get more assets from Tampa) for Brett Connolly (ofcourse we would weak it up if they want Kaberle). Beaulieu and Connolly being the key pieces of the deal.

I personally think this would be a great trade for both teams. Why? With Subban, Diaz and hopefully a healthy Markov(if not, a cheap offensive defencemen to play on the third pairing wouldn't be too hard to find, plus we have some good two way defencemen prospects) we would be fine moving forward without Beaulieu and Weber/Karbele. And ofcourse, we gain our potential big number 1 centre.

Why would Tampa do this? Losing Connolly wouldn't be a huge loss since they have Stamkos and Namestnikov( not mentioning Lecavalier) who should be a solid 1-2 combo as centres for many years(assuming Lecavalier regresses to a solid third liner a few years from now). They do not have a solid group of offensive defencemen so they would gain that with Beaulieu and Weber/Karbele.

Then if we miss out on the top forwards in the draft this year, draft one of the solid two way centres in the draft as there are a good number of them. This way, you didn't lose much at all, rather you gained a lot.
Some solid logic here. One of the few times I've seen a trade proposal that makes sense and benefits both teams.
Connolly could represent the long-coveted, star center for years to come on MTL, but waiting til after the draft to explore this possibility might prove to be smarter. Neither team is going anywhere and we might get what we want out of the draft, so this could be an interesting summer conversation for Yzerman to have with whomever our GM is at that time. Or vice versa...

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If you take 5-6 years to rebuild you pretty much have to move all current players, do you think after 3-4 years of being out of the playoffs that Subban Pacioretty and Price will A-want to stay and B have the mentality to lead a winning team?
Exactly. In a way that was what I was trying to say to the other poster... who has Cole there.

Building a team by drafting it takes a lot of time and patience. A lot of it when you have Tinordi and Beaulieu in top 4 and top line centerman there who hasnt even been drafted yet. For example, Subban and Weber were both drafted in 2007, and it seems it will take couple more years before they are ready.

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are we worst than thoses teams?

23 BUFFALO NE 46 19 22 5 43 17 114 140 -26 11-9-5 8-13-0 2-2 2-6-2 LOST 3
24 MONTRÉAL NE 46 17 21 8 42 16 116 126 -10 8-9-7 9-12-1 1-6 4-5-1 LOST 1
25 NY ISLANDERS ATL 44 17 21 6 40 14 106 134 -28 10-11-3 7-10-3 3-2 6-4-0 WON 1
26 TAMPA BAY SE 45 18 23 4 40 16 126 159 -33 12-7-1 6-16-3 2-3 3-6-1 WON 1
27 CAROLINA SE 48 16 24 8 40 16 124 156 -32 11-11-3 5-13-5 0-4 4-4-2 OT 1
28 ANAHEIM PAC 45 16 22 7 39 15 119 140 -21 11-12-1 5-10-6 1-4 6-3-1 WON 3
29 EDMONTON NW 45 17 24 4 38 16 116 131 -15 11-7-3 6-17-1 1-3 2-7-1 LOST 1
30 COLUMBUS CEN 45 13 27 5 31 10 110 149 -39 8-12-3 5-15-2 3-4 4-5-1 WON 1
Anaheim is a much better team than their record indicates. If Hiller starts playing like he should, they'll finish ahead of the habs no matter what.

I hope that Miller will get back to form and keep Buffalo ahead.

NYI and TB have a great offense but **** defence... none of them really want to tank... Should finish ahead.

Edmonton will be a lot better once their injured come back.

Columbus is a lost cause... and Muller can't do wonders with what he has.

I hope for a 3rd place (well 28th)... espacially if PG does what he's supposed to do (sell, sell, sell) and Markov delays even more his return.

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it would be about god damn time...

- missed the PO last 5 seasons
- missed the PO 7 times in last 10 seasons
- will miss the PO again this season, for the 6th time in a row
yet have been in a stanley cup finals 6 or 7 years ago how long has it been in Montreal?
yes its been bad- but the last 3 years atelast there has been a purpose and plan - really hab havnt been much better when you see what they accomplished at the end of ewach hockey season and the quality of hockey they have played- at elast oilers have been entertaining last few years

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and we're just half way trough our first season of "suckage"...
I wouldn't mind a season of "suckage" if we were in a rebuild but we aren't even started one yet, and we don't know if management will ever truly decide to go for one.

Right now, our team is playing badly when they are supposed to compete for 5-8th spot in the east.

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Anaheim is a much better team than their record indicates. If Hiller starts playing like he should, they'll finish ahead of the habs no matter what.

I hope that Miller will get back to form and keep Buffalo ahead.

NYI and TB have a great offense but **** defence... none of them really want to tank... Should finish ahead.

Edmonton will be a lot better once their injured come back.

Columbus is a lost cause... and Muller can't do wonders with what he has.

I hope for a 3rd place (well 28th)... espacially if PG does what he's supposed to do (sell, sell, sell) and Markov delays even more his return.
management in oiltown wouldnt mind another top 3 pick - theer will be no help from this team from outside and a few from inside will be traded- i see a top 3 pick for Oilers

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I wouldn't mind a season of "suckage" if we were in a rebuild but we aren't even started one yet, and we don't know if management will ever truly decide to go for one.

Right now, our team is playing badly when they are supposed to compete for 5-8th spot in the east.
some were saying before the season that habs could win there division
and take out the Bruins!!

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yet have been in a stanley cup finals 6 or 7 years ago how long has it been in Montreal?
yes its been bad- but the last 3 years atelast there has been a purpose and plan - really hab havnt been much better when you see what they accomplished at the end of ewach hockey season and the quality of hockey they have played- at elast oilers have been entertaining last few years
Hurray! Flames also made it to the SCF less than a decade ago! TB made it to the ECF last season, us the season before that! HURRAY!!


yeah, lets go the Oilers route... cant wait for you to come back in 2021/22 and tell us "wait, in next two years we'll be great"...

but in the mean time, what will you do larek, I mean, the first 2 or 3 season of this 10 years rebuilding plan...

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some were saying before the season that habs could win there division
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Yup, and there was also some outside Montreal (including "expert") who were saying Buffalo was the most improved team in the East and were ready to challenge for real...

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That's the thing... more are delusionnal enough to think that "oh well, we'll keep losing this season and well be better next season already since we'll have a top 5/10 pick"...

while in REALITY (that's the title of the thread afterall) is that once you started to sell anyone old enough or UFA etc... you're pretty muich guaranteed to rely on borderline AHLers or fillers for the next season or two... team need to ice 20 players every game, they'll need bodies... and even if we have a boatload of $, most UFA (top players) will not sign here... just like they dont sign in NYI (for example) or CLB...

so IMO, the reality is that their season ticket for this year is already bought in, they'll probably buy again for next season, the "excitement" of watching young guys grow and developp will make some of them do that...

but it's after that... after a 2nd or 3rd straight year of losing ? once they realize that our good players today are 35/36 (Cole) or 32/33 (Plekanec, Gionta, Bourque, etc) and are declining and that some of our young players are only a year or two away from UFA status (Price, Patches, Subban) and we may lose some of them...

that's when we'll see them stop buying tickets... and no one willing to replace them as new tickets or season-tickets holders... just like no one was intersted in watching both Kovalchuk and Heatley in Atlanta, and none are going to the Clb or NYI games...

why ? cause it sucks balls to spend $ to watch your team lose every game (so to speak)... at this point, might as well save some $ and watch highlights on 10:00 PM news

I mean, some already stopped watching we all know it... and we're not even in our first full year of suckage...
You are right, adding in elite talent isn't what this teams needs. We need a 9th place finish so we can save face and pretend like we are a competitive team.

People spend money NOW to watch a terrible team, how is that ever going to change exactly if we don't get the rookies we need?

You have no answers, you just sit there and whine about people who want to take advantage of a bad situation in order to have future success. No one in here wants to tank for 10 years like you have somehow convinced yourself, we are saying write off this year and get the players we need.

If you don't like the discussion then GTFO of this thread.

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would Gill be of interest to Florida, they lost Jovanovski for 4 to 6 weeks

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I wouldn't mind a season of "suckage" if we were in a rebuild but we aren't even started one yet, and we don't know if management will ever truly decide to go for one.

Right now, our team is playing badly when they are supposed to compete for 5-8th spot in the east.
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You are right, adding in elite talent isn't what this teams needs. We need a 9th place finish so we can save face and pretend like we are a competitive team.

People spend money NOW to watch a terrible team, how is that ever going to change exactly if we don't get the rookies we need?

You have no answers, you just sit there and whine about people who want to take advantage of a bad situation in order to have future success. No one in here wants to tank for 10 years like you have somehow convinced yourself, we are saying write off this year and get the players we need.

If you don't like the discussion then GTFO of this thread.
Guys like EHCWSWI will never get it. They will defend the club's moves to the end and expect greatness to somehow come from mediocrity.

If the club ever does decide to do a rebuild though, you will see a 180 from a lot of these guys and suddenly it will be a great idea. All the supposed reasons that they've come up with for not doing this will suddenly become irrelevant. So many of the objections that I keep hearing are ridiculous.

It stems from the fact that these guys can't accept that we're just not all that good a hockey team. Go read their posts. These guys have always and will always be here. Blind fans existed at the time of Houle as well. Then people defended teh Gomez trade. Now it's Kaberle... Some people just believe what they want to believe. Of course we can't rebuild, we're too good for that... yeah right.


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