Now that I figured out how to mess with tables on here I wanted to compare our team stats to last season.
team stat
2011/2012
rank
2010/2011
rank
Goals per game
3.0
7th
2.32
29th
Goals against per game
3.08
27th
2.99
24th
5 on 5 for/against
1.02
13th
0.73
30th
Powerplay
17.6%
16th
17.5%
15th
Penalty kill
81.4%
21st
83.8%
9th
Faceoffs
49.8%
16th
50.8%
11th
Obviously this season stats are skewed a little because they're through 48 games played but it does give us a general idea. We've seen big improvements in 5 on 5 play as well as goals per game, but the stats suggest our special teams were better last season.
It's a little surprising to many that our powerplay numbers are not better than last season. What can we do better?
Our penalty kill numbers are also down, is this because we lost Fisher and Kelly or is there another explanation that I'm missing?
Our 5 on 5 play this year seems to be whats putting us over the top, imagine if/when our special teams get going. Thoughts?
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Team stats after 48 games
team stat
2011/2012
rank
2010/2011
rank
Goals per game
3.0
7th
2.32
29th
Goals against per game
3.08
27th
2.99
24th
5 on 5 for/against
1.02
13th
0.73
30th
Powerplay
17.6%
16th
17.5%
15th
Penalty kill
81.4%
21st
83.8%
9th
Faceoffs
49.8%
16th
50.8%
11th
Team stats after 56 games
team stat
2011/2012
rank
2010/2011
rank
Goals per game
2.80
9th
2.32
29th
Goals against per game
3.07
28th
2.99
24th
5 on 5 for/against
0.95
17th
0.73
30th
Powerplay
17.0%
18th
17.5%
15th
Penalty kill
81.4%
21st
83.8%
9th
Faceoffs
50
15th
50.8%
11th
Team stats after 68 games
team stat
2011/2012
rank
2010/2011
rank
Goals per game
3.00
6th
2.32
29th
Goals against per game
2.93
25th
2.99
24th
5 on 5 for/against
1.03
11th
0.73
30th
Powerplay
20.0%
6th
17.5%
15th
Penalty kill
81.4%
20th
83.8%
9th
Faceoffs
50.2
11th
50.8%
11th
team stats after 76 games
team stat
2011/2012
rank
2010/2011
rank
Goals per game
2.96
6th
2.32
29th
Goals against per game
2.88
25th
2.99
24th
5 on 5 for/against
1.03
10th
0.73
30th
Powerplay
18.7%
10th
17.5%
15th
Penalty kill
81.7%
19th
83.8%
9th
Faceoffs
50
17th
50.8%
11th
team stats after 82 games
team stat
2011/2012
rank
2010/2011
rank
Goals per game
2.96
4th
2.32
29th
Goals against per game
2.88
24th
2.99
24th
5 on 5 for/against
1.04
10th
0.73
30th
Powerplay
18.2%
11th
17.5%
15th
Penalty kill
81.6%
20th
83.8%
9th
Faceoffs
50.1%
16th
50.8%
11th
Last edited by topshelfie: 04-07-2012 at 11:31 PM.
The difference in goals against is that we are playing to keep possession and try and score.
The PP was at the top of the NHL for the start of the season and has regressed a lot since then. The PK was TERRIBLE at the start of the season and has improved a lot since then.
It is 48 games in now. I suspect by the end of the year we improve to around 10th-12th in the PP and top half of the NHL in PK.
But special teams are not as important as 5 on 5. Last year we were awful... this year we are good. Thank you Maclean's possession offence and Erik Karlsson.
I think Winchester's loss hurts the PK too. Also resting Alfredsson makes the PK less effective. We let more top of the roster players kill penalties last season. Maclean is more with the philosophy of using the bottom tier of players for the PK and resting the stars to play more on the PP and ES.
This season Condra, Smith, Winchester, Daugavins in that order get most PK time among forwards. Michalek is 5th with 1:32 Mins a game and Alfie 6th with 1:02 Mins.
Compare that to last season when if you don't include the guys that got traded these are the top 6 forwards in TOI per games: Condra, Alfredsson, Michalek, Spezza, Shannon, Smith.
So you lose Fisher and Kelly.. plus you had star players killing penalties which we are not doing much this season.
I'll accept Maclean's decision not the play Alfredsson and Michalek on the PK much. Seems like they are scoring a lot 5-5!
I think if Winchester ever comes back from concussion our PP will improve.
Cowen is good on the PK but also a rookie. He hopefully will continue to improve.
The addition of Turris will definitely help those PP numbers.
I'm not liking Konopka on the PK either. He doesn't seem to win that many face-offs and he's always running around, never really sure where he should be. Konopka isn't my favourite player, but I understand what he brings. I just think that PK is stretching his abilities to their limit, maybe beyond.
Surprised at the PK numbers and the faceoffs (I guess we miss Winchester). Should we get that turned around we could be dangerous instead of surprising.
Ottawa has played more games than most teams & could be a little tired. I think that after the ASG & a good rest most of our players should be refreshed & ready to go again. They do need to work hard on their specialty teams, if they can improve those numbers that will go far to winning & making the playoffs.
Konopka is a useless plug. I'd rather have a potted plant (a frond, perhaps a fern...) in his place. What happens when he's on? Inevitably, early in the game he'll drop the gloves and fight and then...nothing. That two to three minutes that he spends fighting could be 4-5 shifts where a line is trying to get pressure or even recovering a puck from another team.
I never thought I'd say this, but please get well soon Jesse Winchester so we can sit Don Brennan's mancrush for an extended period.
Faceoffs mean **** all. Everyone hovers around 50% ... some a little above some below but really ... faceoffs are the dumbest stat in the NHL right know. Better get the best faceoffman... he will win us a cup. BS!
Faceoffs mean **** all. Everyone hovers around 50% ... some a little above some below but really ... faceoffs are the dumbest stat in the NHL right know. Better get the best faceoffman... he will win us a cup. BS!
You should watch some more hockey before opening your mouth next time.
It doesn't matter if you win the face-off if all you do with the puck is rim it around the boards to the other team's winger/Dman which seems to be what happens a lot with the Sens lately.
Faceoffs mean **** all. Everyone hovers around 50% ... some a little above some below but really ... faceoffs are the dumbest stat in the NHL right know. Better get the best faceoffman... he will win us a cup. BS!
face-off win = puck possession
Boston is at 55.7%
Calgary is at 45.0%
A 10% difference when teams take a million face-offs in a season is a pretty wide margin. NHL Hockey 101
It doesn't matter if you win the face-off if all you do with the puck is rim it around the boards to the other team's winger/Dman which seems to be what happens a lot with the Sens lately.
The point is that winning a faceoff puts you in a better position than the team that has to chase the puck. This is as basic as you can get.
Our powerplay has really picked it up since the 56 game mark, giving the team an increase in goals per game. Still generally need work on our penalty kill and team defence.
Offence has been great compared to last year, a new coach and tons of offense from our defenceman is the main thing giving us the boost imo.
Faceoffs mean **** all. Everyone hovers around 50% ... some a little above some below but really ... faceoffs are the dumbest stat in the NHL right know. Better get the best faceoffman... he will win us a cup. BS!
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Originally Posted by slamigo
It doesn't matter if you win the face-off if all you do with the puck is rim it around the boards to the other team's winger/Dman which seems to be what happens a lot with the Sens lately.
Teams that need faceoff experts usually go after them at the deadline just before going into the playoffs where it matter the most. It's impossible to be scored against when you have the puck, puck possession is a very big part of the game.
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Originally Posted by topshelfie
Team stats through 68 games compared to last year
team stat
2011/2012
rank
2010/2011
rank
Goals per game
3.00
6th
2.32
29th
Goals against per game
2.93
25th
2.99
24th
5 on 5 for/against
1.03
11th
0.73
30th
Powerplay
20.0%
6th
17.5%
15th
Penalty kill
81.4%
20th
83.8%
9th
Faceoffs
50.2
11th
50.8%
11th
Our powerplay has really picked it up since the 56 game mark, giving the team an increase in goals per game. Still generally need work on our penalty kill and team defence.
Offence has been great compared to last year, a new coach and tons of offense from our defenceman is the main thing giving us the boost imo.
Really need to reduce the goals against, it's been a problem all yr & continues to be a problem even when we have the lead.
Teams that need faceoff experts usually go after them at the deadline just before going into the playoffs where it matter the most. It's impossible to be scored against when you have the puck, puck possession is a very big part of the game.
I understand the value of winning faceoffs. The point I was making was that it's wasted to win a faceoff if you have to have Konopka on the ice at the same time. From what I can tell, he's good at winning faceoffs and falling down. That is all. His lack of ability basically nullifies the positive of his faceoff prowess.
Also, at the time I made my earlier post, the Sens were really scrambling in their own end. So much so that the D usually just rimmed the puck around the boards where it would be picked up by the other team, thus basically equalling a lost faceoff. The Sens have since improved a bit in their own end and are way less scrambly lately.
Not much has changed since the last update, we're still doing very well in every stat category other than penalty killing. Faceoffs are a bit low however we're only 1% away from top 10 in the league.
-Goals per game from 29th to 4th in the league.
-No improvement in goals against.
-Slight improvement in powerplay
-downgrade in penalty killing
-slight downgrade in faceoffs
Fix our team defence next season and we should finish middle of the pack next year at the least
-Goals per game from 29th to 4th in the league.
-No improvement in goals against.
-Slight improvement in powerplay
-downgrade in penalty killing
-slight downgrade in faceoffs
Fix our team defence next season and we should finish middle of the pack next year at the least
*will update OP with all tables
The biggest difference is in 5-5 play. HUGE to move from last in the NHL to 10th.
I think that the style we play is fine, we just need to get even better at it. We will let in a few less goals and hopefully score just as many or more. Puck possession play skews our stats in goals against and goals for when some teams are still living and dying by the trap like St. Louis or New Jersey.
We could definitely see improvement on the PK next season. I hope Karlsson plays more on the PK, will give us better offence from the PK anyway. We had 9 SHG which was tied for 5th in the NHL. We could get 12-15 next year, especially if we have Karlsson getting 2:00 mins a night on PK. The PK stats in the NHL are not super useful. In my opinion the KEY stat on the PK for a team is the difference between PPGA and SHG for. We had 57 PPGA and 9 GF so we had a difference of -48. New Jersey had only 27 GA and 15 GF... which is incredible! A difference of only -12!
We were tied for 23rd in the PK goal differential and all the teams below us were close with 3 tied with us at -48. If we could increase this differential to maybe -30 it would be HUGE!!!! We take quite a few penalties and likely will continue to do so, so we can score a bit more on the PK and let in a few less goals we can be in the -30 ball park in the middle of the NHL and it will see a pretty large difference in the standings.
The key PP stat to improve on is PP opportunities. We got 270 which is right in the middle of the pack in the NHL. But with the type of game we play applying offensive pressure and some of the agitators on the team like Neil, Foligno, Smith we need to earn more PPs. We will convert opportunties likely on the PP, but more than just increasing our PP% we need to look at drawing more penalties, both by not retaliating and making coincindental minors but also by pressuring and making teams take penalties to stop us from having odd man breaks.
We were shorthanded 310 times and on the PP 270 times. The goal next year should be to draw even here. Draw more penalties and take less that put us down a man. Still play tough but pressure more and force teams to take penalties against us or face great scoring chances.
O'Brien is absolutely beast on the PK. Him and Klinkhammer and Smith will only get better. I expect our defense to get better with Cowen getting more experience, as well as Karlsson.
Why does everyone in this page still have their old avatars?
PLAYOFF AVYS!
Fixed
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Originally Posted by Sens Rule
The biggest difference is in 5-5 play. HUGE to move from last in the NHL to 10th.
I think that the style we play is fine, we just need to get even better at it. We will let in a few less goals and hopefully score just as many or more. Puck possession play skews our stats in goals against and goals for when some teams are still living and dying by the trap like St. Louis or New Jersey.
Forgot to comment about 5 on 5 play, I agree with you.The best 5 on 5 teams last year were the Bruins and Canucks and they made it to the finals. This year it's St louis and Detroit.
The 5 on 5 numbers do reflect our puck possession game, but it also shows how awful our system and coach was last year. Last season we would dump the puck in all the time, dump and chase over and over again. This year we only dumped it in when making a line change(for the most part).
