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01-19-2012, 11:56 AM
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Burkey said he wanted to trade down because no other team had Bobby as highly rated as Anaheim did.

Needless to say, I think it's better that he's forever known as the guy drafted right after Crosby instead of JJ, Pouliot or Price

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01-19-2012, 11:58 AM
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This is honestly way overblown.

Parise is an example of how a top-line winger can compensate for NOT having a true no. 1 center. If you had Ryan and Kessel on a line, you may only need a good no. 1 center (like a Stastny, Zajac - which I think we can develop Colborne to be) instead of an elite no. 1 in the mould of Staal, Getzlaf, etc.
Who said elite though? I said number one, which you dont have. The Bruins have two borderline 1/2 centers, who are better than what the Leafs have.

IMO, Grabs is a very good number two center, and you shoudl keep him. BUT, I think your assets could be used elsewhere on a center...Mike Richards for example. Not a true #1, but with your strong depth at forward hed fit in perfectly IMO.

Just playing devils advocate I guess, but you see my point.

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01-19-2012, 12:03 PM
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Who said elite though? I said number one, which you dont have. The Bruins have two borderline 1/2 centers, who are better than what the Leafs have.

IMO, Grabs is a very good number two center, and you shoudl keep him. BUT, I think your assets could be used elsewhere on a center...Mike Richards for example. Not a true #1, but with your strong depth at forward hed fit in perfectly IMO.

Just playing devils advocate I guess, but you see my point.
I think we need a good shutdown centre most tbh. You look at your top two, and bergy has the skill to play top six but he also can fit into that shutdown/third line role, not to mention you have kelly as well.

Both connolly, bozak and grabo are skilled enough to be top six but neither of them are really shut-down types, which really hurts us imo

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01-19-2012, 12:04 PM
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Who said elite though? I said number one, which you dont have. The Bruins have two borderline 1/2 centers, who are better than what the Leafs have.

IMO, Grabs is a very good number two center, and you shoudl keep him. BUT, I think your assets could be used elsewhere on a center...Mike Richards for example. Not a true #1, but with your strong depth at forward hed fit in perfectly IMO.

Just playing devils advocate I guess, but you see my point.
I do.. but it's much easier said than done to get that no. 1 center via trade. We tried for Mike Richards (Kadri+Kulemin was discussed..Philly never got back to us) but to no avail. And there's a distinction between good no. 1 and elite no.1 - Toronto's looking for the latter but willing to settle for the former.

There's two wingers for every center in the NHL; meaning you're dealing with a fairly limited market in terms of trades. You're better off trying to develop (as Boston has done) and acquring other high-end talent wherever possible given your assets.

And as someone else correctly pointed out - Toronto can use elite talent wherever it may be: wing, goal, center, d - wherever really.

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Kadri
Gunnarsson
MacArthur
Holzer

for Ryan

Our defense will be even worse without the solid Gunnarsson but our forwards need size and speed right now big time.

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schenn + 2nd + macarthur ( maybe add in holzer?) for ryan

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Grabovski + Kadri + 1st for Ryan?

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Just letting this be known and we should be applauded for our actions

A Ducks fan started this thread.

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01-19-2012, 12:13 PM
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The Ducks aren't trading any of their "big 3" unless ownership wants to cut payroll. The team's rolling right now.

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Who said elite though? I said number one, which you dont have. The Bruins have two borderline 1/2 centers, who are better than what the Leafs have.

IMO, Grabs is a very good number two center, and you shoudl keep him. BUT, I think your assets could be used elsewhere on a center...Mike Richards for example. Not a true #1, but with your strong depth at forward hed fit in perfectly IMO.

Just playing devils advocate I guess, but you see my point.
I agree.. Having 3 number 2 centers could possibly hide the fact that there isn't that big horse... But to your point, to an extent, quantity can equal quality.

Which do you take?

Lupul-Stastny-Kessel
Mac-Grabo-Kulemin

Or

Lupul-Connolly-Kessel
Kulemin-Grabo-Ryan

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01-19-2012, 12:19 PM
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I dont see how. Anaheim gets depth out of this deal a quality core player and equal cap comes in as going out. Grabovski's production at this point equals what Ryan brings to the table, of course its unfortunate that grabo is unsigned but this puts anaheim into the best possition to resign grabo.
Grabo as a UFA has very little value to the Ducks and to say his production is equal to Ryan's is laughable - point totals this season are close, but you're talking about a 24 year old who's on pace for his 4th consecutive 30+ goal season in a down year.

Ryan will cost a lot more then average at best depth players.

I am also a little tired of the "we will own the Ducks in a trade" - Lupul couldn't stay healthy in Anaheim so was a pure salary dump, Beauch was basically traded for Gardiner and a 4th. TO is happy that Lupul has worked out so far, but Leaf fans wouldn't be so excited if Lupul was sitting in the infirmary. Lupul has sort of alternated between healthy year/unhealthy year so lets hope for the Leafs sake he stays healthy.

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Grabo as a UFA has very little value to the Ducks and to say his production is equal to Ryan's is laughable - point totals this season are close, but you're talking about a 24 year old who's on pace for his 4th consecutive 30+ goal season in a down year.

Ryan will cost a lot more then average at best depth players.

I am also a little tired of the "we will own the Ducks in a trade" - Lupul couldn't stay healthy in Anaheim so was a pure salary dump, Beauch was basically traded for Gardiner and a 4th. TO is happy that Lupul has worked out so far, but Leaf fans wouldn't be so excited if Lupul was sitting in the infirmary. Lupul has sort of alternated between healthy year/unhealthy year so lets hope for the Leafs sake he stays healthy.
Hey, I like this guy, he speaks sense!

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schenn + 2nd + macarthur ( maybe add in holzer?) for ryan
JunkYou can start with draft picks and go from there.

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JunkYou can start with draft picks and go from there.
Why would we start with draft picks if Murray wants core players back?

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Burke and Murray "Could Be" Talking About Bobby Ryan.

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Though the Leafs are in need of a #1 center, there may not be one available during the season. I'd say the second need is a top 6 pf, which Ryan certainly is. Burke has to make a move to help secure a playoff birth, and then I'm sre he wants to address the forwards lack of size for playoffs...

I'd say something along the lines of Kadri, a 1st, and a young defenceman.

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Grabo as a UFA has very little value to the Ducks and to say his production is equal to Ryan's is laughable - point totals this season are close, but you're talking about a 24 year old who's on pace for his 4th consecutive 30+ goal season in a down year.

Ryan will cost a lot more then average at best depth players.

I am also a little tired of the "we will own the Ducks in a trade" - Lupul couldn't stay healthy in Anaheim so was a pure salary dump, Beauch was basically traded for Gardiner and a 4th. TO is happy that Lupul has worked out so far, but Leaf fans wouldn't be so excited if Lupul was sitting in the infirmary. Lupul has sort of alternated between healthy year/unhealthy year so lets hope for the Leafs sake he stays healthy.
To be honest, Leaf fans would have still been happy if Lupul never left the infirmary...that was the price to get Gardiner, we were fine with it...anything Lupul did was considered gravy.

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Burke and Murray "Could Be" Talking About Bobby Ryan.
"Rumour" implies the variable here.

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I'm just not seeing how Toronto could put together a package that would entice Murray to trade Ryan.

Kessel would have to be part of the deal. What else could Toronto deal? Schenn and parts won't get it done.

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Have a feeling especially because of the Lupul/Gardiner trade it will have to be even worse overpayment than Kessel was, though likely more to do with assets than picks specifically.

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I'm just not seeing how Toronto could put together a package that would entice Murray to trade Ryan.

Kessel would have to be part of the deal. What else could Toronto deal? Schenn and parts won't get it done.
1st + Colborne + the D Ducks were looking at + MacArthur etc

Trust me they do have the assets to do it, will be overpayment but they do have the assets.

1st + Colborne imo is where it would start.

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I'm just not seeing how Toronto could put together a package that would entice Murray to trade Ryan.

Kessel would have to be part of the deal. What else could Toronto deal? Schenn and parts won't get it done.
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT, because Toronto has no other assets besides Kessel.

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