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01-19-2012, 01:01 PM
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1st + Colborne + the D Ducks were looking at + MacArthur etc

Trust me they do have the assets to do it, will be overpayment but they do have the assets.

1st + Colborne imo is where it would start.
It'll likely start with 1st + Nazem Kadri.

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01-19-2012, 01:01 PM
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Mac + Colborne/Kadri + 1st + Holzer?

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I don't know, I think I'd rather have Lombardi on our top line wing

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01-19-2012, 01:04 PM
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i dont think it would be as much as people expect.

i wouldnt be shocked to see something like

kulemin, gunnarson, holzer, and a 1st for ryan + something small (mid prospect or mid draft pick)

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01-19-2012, 01:06 PM
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Mac + Colborne/Kadri + 1st + Holzer?
mmm no...to much for ryan..take one of kadri/colborne or the 1st pick out and add a 2nd or another prospect..

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01-19-2012, 01:07 PM
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Grabo as a UFA has very little value to the Ducks and to say his production is equal to Ryan's is laughable - point totals this season are close, but you're talking about a 24 year old who's on pace for his 4th consecutive 30+ goal season in a down year.

Ryan will cost a lot more then average at best depth players.

I am also a little tired of the "we will own the Ducks in a trade" - Lupul couldn't stay healthy in Anaheim so was a pure salary dump, Beauch was basically traded for Gardiner and a 4th. TO is happy that Lupul has worked out so far, but Leaf fans wouldn't be so excited if Lupul was sitting in the infirmary. Lupul has sort of alternated between healthy year/unhealthy year so lets hope for the Leafs sake he stays healthy.

2011/2012

Grabovski
39GP 14G 12A 26P +1

Ryan
45Gp 17G 11A 28P -6

its not laughable. Grabovski's production is on par with Ryan this season, last season he was 10 points shy. When i said its equal production, all i meant was that grabo will come in and put forth the same effort and production that ryan has done this season. meaning their offense will not take as much of a hit as some people think. Sure grabo is obviously not as good as Ryan, but if the leafs are trying to get better and make the playoffs obviously we arent about to give up kessel who is producing more then Ryan this season. We adress Anaheims need for depth by getting them a similarily productive forward and tack on a top defenseman and a project defenseman. 3 assets for 1 to a team that is in need of a shake-up. Sure grabo is unsigned and thats the iffy question, but anaheim has the best odds of resigning him if they make this trade.

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01-19-2012, 01:07 PM
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i dont think it would be as much as people expect.

i wouldnt be shocked to see something like

kulemin, gunnarson, holzer, and a 1st for ryan + something small (mid prospect or mid draft pick)

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That is a lot. Gunnarsson is the most underrated player on our team and our second best defenceman behind Phaneuf. He's also our best defensively.

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I would imagine

Kadri + Schenn/Kulemin + 2nd

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Ryan + mid D/F prospect depending on who they take...

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1st + Colborne + the D Ducks were looking at + MacArthur etc

Trust me they do have the assets to do it, will be overpayment but they do have the assets.

1st + Colborne imo is where it would start.
Is it possible to not include colborne and instead include frattin and 3rd (in his place) or somewhere along those lines. Colborne is the exact kind of player the leafs need just a year or two away(hopefully).

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01-19-2012, 01:11 PM
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If Leafs will lose tonight against Wild we'll have these threads on half an hour basis.
Well let's see, Wilson shook the D pairings up before the game against Ottawa, tonight the forward lines are being shaken up against Minnesota, they've gone back to the Monster in net. If we lose tonight it's hard to imagine Burke just letting another loss slide. The trade talk and rumors will be on full force. A loss tonight and we could possibly be 5 pts back of a playoff spot by Saturday.

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If Leafs will lose tonight against Wild we'll have these threads on half an hour basis.
lol how true that is.

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01-19-2012, 01:18 PM
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That is a lot. Gunnarsson is the most underrated player on our team and our second best defenceman behind Phaneuf. He's also our best defensively.
i agree that gunnarson is under rated but him having value is the point.

we are giving up a lot in the sense that we are giving up a top 6 forward and a top 4 defenseman, + a defensive prospect (call it even for gardiner) + a 1st BUT we are giving away things that we can live without.

gunnarson is great but i think most non leaf fans would agree that he wouldnt be a top 2 pairing on a contending team. he is possibly a #3 or # 4.

kulemin has great offensive potential still but i think most would agree that ryans offensive ceiling is higher. it is easier to replace kulemins defense then find ryans offense.

burke likely would need to include holzer to even out the last trade. its not necessarily fair but sometimes you need to do a political move to keep the peace. he also is unlikely to ever make the team with the amount of defensive depth we have in the pipeline (blacker, percy, )

the 1st is the 1st. ideally burke could get it down to a 2nd but who know.

at the end of the day the leafs can live without kulemin, and gunnarson, and holzer and a pick if they are able to get ryan imo.

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01-19-2012, 01:19 PM
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Is it possible to not include colborne and instead include frattin and 3rd (in his place) or somewhere along those lines. Colborne is the exact kind of player the leafs need just a year or two away(hopefully).
So instead of a bluechip prospect include something a team probably doesnt want as much? Not how trades work.

If Ryan were to come to the Leafs, I dont see how one of Schenn, Colborne, Kadri or Kulemin couldnt be involved.

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Burke and Murray Talking About Ryan

Burkie: "Hey Bob, how's Bobby Ryan?"
Murray: "Good, thanks for asking!"
Burkie: "Good to hear it, take care."

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01-19-2012, 01:22 PM
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2011/2012

Grabovski
39GP 14G 12A 26P +1

Ryan
45Gp 17G 11A 28P -6

its not laughable. Grabovski's production is on par with Ryan this season, last season he was 10 points shy. When i said its equal production, all i meant was that grabo will come in and put forth the same effort and production that ryan has done this season. meaning their offense will not take as much of a hit as some people think. Sure grabo is obviously not as good as Ryan, but if the leafs are trying to get better and make the playoffs obviously we arent about to give up kessel who is producing more then Ryan this season. We adress Anaheims need for depth by getting them a similarily productive forward and tack on a top defenseman and a project defenseman. 3 assets for 1 to a team that is in need of a shake-up. Sure grabo is unsigned and thats the iffy question, but anaheim has the best odds of resigning him if they make this trade.

Using half of one season of point totals to make a comparison is what is laughable. Ryan has been over 30 goals and 60 points in each of his first three seasons. Grabovski has not done either once in his career. Last year he was close obviously to both totals, but that was his best season to date, and it was only 1 point more than Ryan's rookie season, where he played in 17 less games.

So they are not "similarly productive" as you put it. And when you throw in the facts that Grabo is a UFA, Bobby is signed to a cap friendly deal for 4 more years, and the Ducks are 13th in the west, aka they have no use for a UFA, the value is incredibly not similar. A UFA just cant be the center of a trade. Makes zero sense from a Ducks perspective.

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01-19-2012, 01:23 PM
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Burke and Murray Talking About Ryan

Burkie: "Hey Bob, how's Bobby Ryan?"
Murray: "Good, thanks for asking!"
Burkie: "Good to hear it, take care."
...

Murray: "Burkie, wait!"
Burkie: "What's up Bob?"
Murray: "I miss you. Things just haven't been the same since the trade.
Burkie: "LOLLL."

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01-19-2012, 01:27 PM
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I would imagine

Kadri + Schenn/Kulemin + 2nd

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Ryan + mid D/F prospect depending on who they take...
Id do kadri + Kulemin + 2nd

but if schenns in..... Schenn and Holzer and 3rd

If we dont get him for that fine I can understand they want to keep him / or wait for a better offer.

* But from a fans point of view Were still far away from a cup and 1 player aint gonna win us a cup.

*I know its gonna be a over payment to get him , but at Toronto's current spot where we just started building a team and developing players are we really in a postion to trade what we built up for one player.

Im at the point Now where I think the best move might be No move or to move a couple contracts off the team so guys like colborne kadri and frattin get to play more time. Bringing in more forward contracts is just pushing the kids off more and more.

Maybe not trying to rush to the cup the first time we make the playoffs might make us a stronger team 2 three years down the road so we can keep showing up the playoffs.

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01-19-2012, 01:31 PM
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RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT, because Toronto has no other assets besides Kessel.
Right, is right. You have nothing that would attract Murray. This is complete BS. If I were a Ducks fan, I'd be livid at the very thought of dealing with Toronto went it comes to Ryan.

The guy that posted above me was thinking a 1st+ Colborne. Not happening. Murray has already stated fair value roster players or it's a no deal.

1st? Ducks are still looking to compete, as stated by Murray. Picks aren't going to cut it. Colborne won't get it done either.

So, yes kid, you don't have what it takes to get Ryan, unless Murray is going to do Burke a huge favor, which is unlikely. Right is right.

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01-19-2012, 01:33 PM
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Burke and Murray Talking About Ryan

Burkie: "Hey Bob, how's Bobby Ryan?"
Murray: "Good, thanks for asking!"
Burkie: "Good to hear it, take care."
Read title, first thing that popped into my head was this.

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01-19-2012, 01:40 PM
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Well asside from this being no more then mere speculation at this point. Deals can change at any time so if its not imminent then its really nothing more then talking and negotiating (something that murray is doing with plenty other GM's outside of Burke *Vice Versa*). But to answer the op question if a trade involving the leafs and anaheim were to go down i think this is who will be involved

To Anaheim
Luke Schenn
Mikhail Grabovski
Korbinian Holzer

To Toronto
Bobby Ryan
+ *** (something that can fill Holzer's spot on the marlies)
Ryan would require more than that. Grabovsky has minimal value as he is a UFA in July.

More like Schenn Kadri plus Kulemin(having a crappy year but solid player). Ryan is young(24) has size and already has 3 30+ goal seasons(31, 34 and 35) under his belt) plus he is signed pretty cheap(5 mil cap hit) for 5 more years.

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01-19-2012, 01:44 PM
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Who's gonna carry and distribute the puck for all these wingers?

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01-19-2012, 01:46 PM
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HOLY OVERPAYMENT BATMAN. That should be the offer going for Getzlaf not Bobby Ryan...
In terms of pure value Ryan is probably worth as much, he is signed 2 more years than Getzlaf at barely above 5 mil cap hit. Getzlaf will be a UFa summer of 2013 and will probably cost Staal money(8.5 mil) or close.

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feel like getting flamed and throwing my hat into the ring ...

here goes!

*not going through every ryan to tml thread and searching past suggestions or 5+ pages here either, so i apologize if you've already seen this offer

To Tor:
B. Ryan
J. Schultz

To Ana:
M. Grabovski
N. Kadri
L. Schenn
K. Holzer
2nd 2012

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Do the Leafs even need more scoring? Forgive my ignorance on the subject but shouldn't they focus on their defense if they're going to trade (much like the Devils)?

Just seems like they have a pretty solid offense atm. Could be wrong because I don't really follow the Leafs as much.

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Who's gonna carry and distribute the puck for all these wingers?
Tim Connolly.

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