A) With a worse salary cap
B) Similar production (Last 5 seasons: Carter, 348 GP, 154 G, 127A, Roy, 320 GP, 105 G, 175 A, 280 P)
C) With a contract that stretches to 2022 vs 2014
Yet, we need to GIVE up more to get Carter? More like, the Blue Jackets need to give us something substantial to get out of that contract.
Carter and Roy are comparable, but they both have similar problems (party too much, invisible in big games), and one has a good contract and the other has a god awful one. You can argue that Carter has some upside left, but given the opportunity he was given in Columbus, I don't see it. He's a 30 goal, 60 point center. Roy is a 25 goal, 65 point center.
A) With a worse salary cap
B) Similar production (Last 5 seasons: Carter, 348 GP, 154 G, 127A, Roy, 320 GP, 105 G, 175 A, 280 P)
C) With a contract that stretches to 2022 vs 2014
Yet, we need to GIVE up more to get Carter? More like, the Blue Jackets need to give us something substantial to get out of that contract.
Carter and Roy are comparable, but they both have similar problems (party too much, invisible in big games), and one has a good contract and the other has a god awful one. You can argue that Carter has some upside left, but given the opportunity he was given in Columbus, I don't see it. He's a 30 goal, 60 point center. Roy is a 25 goal, 65 point center.
Carter isn't a Sabre so he HAS to be an upgrade over Roy.....
Personally, I would be wary of Carter because the Flyers traded him away for a reason.
Montreal fans overvaluing of Lars Eller has always baffled me. I would hope that Darcy would be able to wrangle at the very least, a high round pick on top of Eller for a player like Roy.
I don't think anyone is overvaluing him, they just don't believe PG would trade a big, young talented forward for a smallish center when we already have lots of those. Simply put, the trade doesn't make sense, it's just the habs fans making outlandish offers because they don't see it going through either..
Edit: Didn't read the last few pages, I can see this has been discussed to death!
This thread has way too many Habs fans in it for any rational discussion to occur. For whatever random reason they still think Eller is going to be amazing #1 beast center.
I'm assuming Habs management are a little wiser though, so a trade would be possible. Eller + something. I don't necessarily want him, but I think he could turn into a decent #3 with some PK skill that I wouldn't mind having during a re-tool/re-build (that I hope happens with a good pick or two).
Total OT, but what a player! We don't have someone like that
Some of his linemates look fine too. Beautiful passing plays!
His usual linemates are Frédérick Roy (#88) and Anthony Duclair (#10).
Roy is Patrick's son and isn't anything special IMO, but Duclair is very good.
He's making an impact as a 16 year old and is one of my favorite prospects in the 2013 draft.
I know reading comprehension isn't a real big thing for some, but I did indicate maybe other parts or picks would be necessary for a deal like that.
Yes well, your writing abilities did make it seem that Derek Roy was the main part of the trade. Buffalo has nothing to offer us that would even make us think twice about trading Price to you guys (unless you add Miller to this but it would defeat the whole point).
Yes well, your writing abilities did make it seem that Derek Roy was the main part of the trade. Buffalo has nothing to offer us that would even make us think twice about trading Price to you guys (unless you add Miller to this but it would defeat the whole point).
Well, of course he and Price are the main part of the trade but other players, prospects and picks can be added.
As others said, it would be hard to pry Price away from the Canadiens but, really, most teams seem to be able to find goalies during the off-season that need them.
Can Montreal trade Price and sign a UFA Goalie this off-season that would make trading him for a Derek Roy package worth while?
Why not?
Here is a list of UFA goalies this summer to choose from:
Brent Johnson
Jonas Gustavsson
Tomas Vokoun
Curtis Sanford
Martin Biron
Johan Hedberg
Martin Brodeur
Ray Emery
Ty Conklin
Josh Harding
Evgeni Nabokov
Al Montoya
RFA goalies:
Tuuka Rask
Corey Schneider
Leland Irving
Ondrej Pavelec
Anders Lindback
There are at least a few in there that would be able to more than hold down the fort for a few years until a more solid, long term goalie could be developed or a better option can be found through free agency.
Is a capable goalie easier to acquire than a top 6 forward? I think so. I know I would be more than willing to deal Miller if I felt a solid top 6 forward would come back in return, with a couple prospects as well.
I think the ideal trade partner for the Miller trade would be Montreal. They wouldn't have any starting goalie.
Yeah, I'm aware Peter Budaj is not starting caliber. However, is Montreal making moves to win the Cup this year? Would trading Price allow them to not get a starting goalie this off-season?
I'll tell you this much, I would trade Miller in a heartbeat right now regardless of whether a goalie is being returned in the deal. The Sabres could always find a goalie through free agency, trade, or whatever. They are not that hard to find in the summer.
Actually, the more I think about it, it is probably not smart to trade Roy and a package for Price, even if the Sabres did deal Miller. Go with what you have and bring in someone else for no compensation during the summer.
Well, of course he and Price are the main part of the trade but other players, prospects and picks can be added.
As others said, it would be hard to pry Price away from the Canadiens but, really, most teams seem to be able to find goalies during the off-season that need them.
Can Montreal trade Price and sign a UFA Goalie this off-season that would make trading him for a Derek Roy package worth while?
Why not?
Here is a list of UFA goalies this summer to choose from:
Brent Johnson
Jonas Gustavsson
Tomas Vokoun
Curtis Sanford
Martin Biron
Johan Hedberg
Martin Brodeur
Ray Emery
Ty Conklin
Josh Harding
Evgeni Nabokov
Al Montoya
RFA goalies:
Tuuka Rask
Corey Schneider
Leland Irving
Ondrej Pavelec
Anders Lindback
There are at least a few in there that would be able to more than hold down the fort for a few years until a more solid, long term goalie could be developed or a better option can be found through free agency.
Is a capable goalie easier to acquire than a top 6 forward? I think so. I know I would be more than willing to deal Miller if I felt a solid top 6 forward would come back in return, with a couple prospects as well.
I could see your point IF the deal was to include a star forward. Derek Roy is not that kind of guy. Sure Roy is a good player but he is no where near as valuable as a 24 year old stud goalie. PLUS I highly doubt The Habs would trade him to another NE team and have him as a rival for the next 10 years.
The deal would have to blow The Habs away and IMO it would have to be Roy+ and the + part would make it not worth it for the sabres.
With dregers rumor , Take it for what it's worth but a buddy of mine who has a friend in the organization is saying the sabres are trying to swing Roy for Plekanec. Would you guys do that?
With dregers rumor , Take it for what it's worth but a buddy of mine who has a friend in the organization is saying the sabres are trying to swing Roy for Plekanec. Would you guys do that?
meh, I guess so. I mean I hate Plekanec but I guess it's a good deal for the team.
With dregers rumor , Take it for what it's worth but a buddy of mine who has a friend in the organization is saying the sabres are trying to swing Roy for Plekanec. Would you guys do that?
No way. Roy's the better player and Plekanec has a higher cap hit by $1.0 M, is signed for four more years after this season as opposed to just one for Roy, and he has a NTC. I want to move Roy too, but not in a deal like this.
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With dregers rumor , Take it for what it's worth but a buddy of mine who has a friend in the organization is saying the sabres are trying to swing Roy for Plekanec. Would you guys do that?
Pass. I don't want another undersized, inconsistent center to replace the one we'd be trading away.
I wouldnt hate it... Montreal is in the exact same spot as us where the whole team is just sucking hard. Plecanek is a solid 2nd center that plays a very good defensive game. We will lose some offense but gain better defensive play and get the cancer out of the locker room. More I talk about it, the more I like it. Honest question, what is it that people dislike about Plekanec? I've always thought he was one of Montreal's best players?
As would I but it seems like Regier is gonna go the top 6 swap route... I guess my question should have been if we were only going to swap roy for another top 6 guy, why do people not like Plekanec? He was one of the main reasons (Cammalleri as well) why the Canadians went deep into the playoffs the last few times. He can shut down top guys and has pretty good offensive talent, plus actually performs in the playoffs. I actually think he would fit rather well on the top line with Vanek and Poms.
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As would I but it seems like Regier is gonna go the top 6 swap route... I guess my question should have been if we were only going to swap roy for another top 6 guy, why do people not like Plekanec? He was one of the main reasons (Cammalleri as well) why the Canadians went deep into the playoffs the last few times. He can shut down top guys and has pretty good offensive talent, performs in the playoffs. I actually think he would fit rather well on the top line with Vanek and Poms.
It's not that I would hate him on the team as a 2nd line center, but as was already mentioned, trading for him now is like reshuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. It's gonna take a lot of other moves and I think Roy could be moved for something better elsewhere as part of a package deal. If something comes with Plekanec then I might be more amenable to it, but I doubt it would be something more than a middling prospect/middling pick.
