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Malkin vs Ovechkin?

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Malkin 94 74.60%
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01-20-2012, 05:24 PM
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This year: Malkin

Career: Ovechkin

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01-20-2012, 05:35 PM
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Some people are so fickle an 'what have you done for me lately. Remember a bit more than a year ago when Malkin was having a down year (even before he got injured), and people were going on about how maybe he isn't an elite player and was no longer in the discussion for top player etc. All the sudden Ovechkin is having a down year and now Malkin is so much better. Career wise to this point Ovechkin has been much better than Malkin. Let's not all lose our minds around here.
This guy's got it.

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01-20-2012, 05:41 PM
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Ovechkin, cuz his ACL's are stronger.

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01-20-2012, 06:54 PM
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I prefer conn smythe's to rocket richard's so I take Malkin, and in 3-4 years I do not think we even have this convo cause Malkin will have seperated himself from OV substantially by then.

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01-20-2012, 07:47 PM
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If Ovechkin doesn't put his **** together next season, the answer has to be Malkin. Until then, I give the benefits of the doubt to Ovy and call it a draw, even if I think a healthy Malkin is a much better all around player than Ovy.

However, there's no better goal scorer than #8 when his "on"...

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01-20-2012, 07:52 PM
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Ovechkin is still better

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01-21-2012, 02:24 AM
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01-21-2012, 02:30 AM
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This poll is hfboards at it's best btw. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY?
Mr. what have you done for me lately has been doing stuff for a while.


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01-21-2012, 06:44 AM
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Yeah, I'm sure if you would replace the guy who is #2 alltime (>10GP) in playoffs goals per game with Malkin the Caps would end up winning 'multiple cups'.

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01-21-2012, 06:52 AM
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Mr. what have you done for me lately has been doing stuff for a while.

Exactly, we aren't comparing Ovechkin to Giroux.

Malkin has been amazing this year and in the past, he had a bit of a down year last year with the injury and all, but Ovechkin hasn't been the same since the olympics, and no one knows what's wrong with the guy right now.

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01-21-2012, 06:56 AM
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IMO when they're both on, Malkin is still capable of being more dominating.

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01-21-2012, 07:41 AM
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Well, there were a lot of arguments in favor of Malkin even when Ovie was at his best. You may check some threads of that time... And this season we see one of the best Malkin ever, even comparing to his 113 pts regular and 36 pts play-off. While Ovechkin looks as a good winger but nothing special.

As to future, it's hard to say. There is a one major problem with Ovie - nobody knows why he isn't himself right now. So it's impossible to predict will he get back to his old self or not.

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01-21-2012, 07:42 AM
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Ovechkin is not even near elite anymore. When has a player fell from being the best player in the world to being maybe the 50th best... without even getting injured... in his mid 20's?

Ovechkin has had post-concussion Lindros type of fall off without even getting a terrible injury.

Selfishness, getting fat in off season and not training are huge factors.

Never seen a player fall like Ovechkin has... never!!!! Without an injury.

A broken down Alfredsson... who is 39 is better then he is right now... more valuable to his team. In his rookie year.. Alfredsson's best season... Alfie was saying Ovechkin was the best player in the world. Would vote for him for the Hart. Now he is not the best player on his team.. he would generously be ranked a top 50 player in the NHL.

Sad that Ovechkin is not interested in learning how to be more effective or training anymore. Guess all the press clippings went to his head. Hope he gets his act together again. I loved watching Ovechkin... Now he doesn't even scare me when we play the Capitals. In two years? This kind of regression with no injury?

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01-21-2012, 07:47 AM
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Perhaps Ovechkin needs some of that "mama Malkin's borscht"!

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01-21-2012, 10:45 AM
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Yeah, I'm sure if you would replace the guy who is #2 alltime (>10GP) in playoffs goals per game with Malkin the Caps would end up winning 'multiple cups'.
Malkin put the Penguins on his back during the Cup run, he was a beast. Did you watch any of those games. I think people get caught up in OV's flashy game but he is a one trick pony. Malkin is a well rounded hockey player capable of completly taking over a game in all three zones.

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01-21-2012, 10:46 AM
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Malkin put the Penguins on his back during the Cup run, he was a beast. Did you watch any of those games. I think people get caught up in OV's flashy game but he is a one trick pony. Malkin is a well rounded hockey player capable of completly taking over a game in all three zones.
I can't see what your post has to do with mine..?

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01-21-2012, 10:55 AM
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I can't see what your post has to do with mine..?

Ummmm, ok. I guess what I am saying is yes if your replace OV with Malkin the Caps have a better chance of winning the cup.

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01-21-2012, 11:06 AM
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Ovechkin. Malkin may be better this year but career wise, I don't think Malkin has come close to Ovy.
Ovechkin- 1.25 PPG over 521 Games
Malkin- 1.21 PPG over 392 games

Best Seasons:
Ovechkin: 07-08 82 GP- 65 G, 47 A, 112 Pts. 1.37 PPG
Malkin: 08-09 82 GP- 35 G, 78 A, 113 Pts. 1.39 PPG

Given the way both of these guys are trending, I'd say both career and current will belong to Malkin in by the end of next year.

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01-21-2012, 11:49 AM
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This poll is hfboards at it's best btw. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY?
Not like Malkin won the Conn Smythe... it definitely a possibility.

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01-21-2012, 12:17 PM
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Exactly, we aren't comparing Ovechkin to Giroux.

Malkin has been amazing this year and in the past, he had a bit of a down year last year with the injury and all, but Ovechkin hasn't been the same since the olympics, and no one knows what's wrong with the guy right now.
Completely agreed and really good example.

The down year, he was battling through a shoulder and knee injury. Not saying it's an excuse, but at least there is a reason to point to his down year. Not to mention also, this is the first season since 2008 that Malkin hasn't been skating with 3rd/4th liners on his line. In 2008 he had Ryan Malone/Petr Sykora. After that, he had Petr Sykora with an injured shoulder 1 season, Max Talbot, Ruslan Fedotenko, Ponisuckovsky, etc.

I've seen people come up with so many reasons for why Ovechkin isn't the same player he used to be. Who knows. Maybe it's a combination of things. In 2008-2009, Ovechkin was one of the most dynamic players I've ever seen. He was downright scary on the ice shift in and shift out. Are those days over? Because of his intense style, did he burn his body out too quickly? I'm not sure we'll ever see the <2009 Ovechkin ever again, but I think like other stars in the NHL who aged, he's going to have to figure out a way to refine his game to adapt to not having the same speed, etc he once had.

Jagr is a prime example of how to do it and move from being able to take things end to end all the time into using his lower body strength and skills in the offensive zone in as his advantage over other players. Jagr might not have had as many pretty goals/rushes from when he was a younger player but he learned how to still be extremely productive in the offensive zone as he got older with his body changing and adapting that to the game. Just wondering if Ovy is going through that same stage now where he's trying to figure that out.

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01-21-2012, 12:24 PM
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01-21-2012, 12:31 PM
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Ovechkin- 1.25 PPG over 521 Games
Malkin- 1.21 PPG over 392 games

Best Seasons:
Ovechkin: 07-08 82 GP- 65 G, 47 A, 112 Pts. 1.37 PPG
Malkin: 08-09 82 GP- 35 G, 78 A, 113 Pts. 1.39 PPG

Given the way both of these guys are trending, I'd say both career and current will belong to Malkin in by the end of next year.
If you're trying to measure their worth by PPG only (hilarious), then you should use Ovechkin's 109 points in 72 games in 2009-10 as his best season. That was a 1.51PPG season.

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01-21-2012, 12:43 PM
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If you're trying to measure their worth by PPG only (hilarious), then you should use Ovechkin's 109 points in 72 games in 2009-10 as his best season. That was a 1.51PPG season.
thats not what I'm doing at all but if anything, if youre arguing for ovechkin being better than using only PPG would be the way to go. I was just trying to give an semi accurate depiction of the offensive numbers they have compiled throughout their careers. I'm not saying one is head and shoulders better than the other. Obviously Ovi has had a better overall career but im just looking at the trends and at some point with two players from the same era, whats goin on right now trumps the past and that should likely happen soon. I didnt do any kind of statistical analysis, i just picked two of their best season. Calm down.

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01-21-2012, 01:08 PM
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Ovechkin- 1.25 PPG over 521 Games
Malkin- 1.21 PPG over 392 games

Best Seasons:
Ovechkin: 07-08 82 GP- 65 G, 47 A, 112 Pts. 1.37 PPG
Malkin: 08-09 82 GP- 35 G, 78 A, 113 Pts. 1.39 PPG

Given the way both of these guys are trending, I'd say both career and current will belong to Malkin in by the end of next year.
This. I LOVE Ovechkin. And i do not overact now. I honestly love him. And it breaks my heart to say this....

As it seems, Malkin is coming very very fast from behind. And he does not have much left to go.

Ovechkin has two Hart´s two Rockets, three Lindsay´s one Art Ross.

Malkin has one Conn Smythe, one Art. If he puts there one more Hart/Art Ross they have pretty much the same amount of hardware.

Their career numbers are starting to lookalike. (OV still has the edge on goals tough)

If Ovechkin is continuing his slump and malkin playing Hart worthy. There should be no question. I think i will still give OV the benefit of a doubt, and put him ahead. Put if things will continue to go the way they are now, ill take Malkin after the season.


And for everybody bashing OV. 65 goals! it is enough. When Ovechkin is at his best, he pretty much is one of the big three. Actually, there is pretty much the big 2. Malkin is jumping in to that category.

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01-21-2012, 01:14 PM
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If you're going by career stats, Ovechkin wins I guess.

If you're going by who is the more complete player and not exactly a slouch in the scoring department, it's Geno hands down.

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