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01-31-2012, 04:14 PM
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NYR-MTL Blockbuster

To MTL:
-Marc Staal
-Artem Anisimov
-Michael Sauer


To NY:
-PK Subban
-Max Pacioretty
-Hal Gill



Benefits to NY:
-Adds a right handed offensive defenseman with a slapshot to help our powerplay and distribute some talent to the right side
-Adds a top 6 LW, which we need badly
-Both are young
-adds a playoff vet for the playoff push

Benefits to MTL:
-Staal is an top tier defensive defenseman
-Sauer is another good top 4 right handed defenseman
-both are young
-Anisimov is a young top six forward (LW/C) who is very good defensively, but still needs to round out his offensive game.


Let me know how the value is/ how much more either team would need to add...

NY's roster:

Pacioretty-Stepan-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Richards-Callahan

McDonagh-Girardi
Del Zotto-Subban
Gill - Eminger/Stralman

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Breakdown:

Staal>Subban
Pacioretty > Anisimov
Sauer > Gill (Value wise due to age & contract)

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01-31-2012, 04:17 PM
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I wouldn't do it.

Much rather keep Patches and Subban.

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01-31-2012, 04:27 PM
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You answered your own question. Subban has more value than Staal. Offensive always have more value than defensive defensemen.

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01-31-2012, 04:29 PM
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No thanks, ill keep Staal, Sauer, and Anisimov. If im trading those players in one deal, i want elite talent in return.. Subban, Gill, and Pac is NOT that.

Staal is a legit #1 dman.
Sauer has proven he can handle a ton of minutes in a top 4 role.
Anisimov is a 22yo two way center who will only get better.

Pac while a good young talent is not the offensive threat we need..
Gill would be a bottom pairing dman for us
Subban would be a nice piece but ill take Staal every day of the week and twice on sun

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01-31-2012, 04:29 PM
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What would the Rangers want Subban over Staal?

Torts would have Subban riding so much pine that he might start to grow branches. He doesn't give a damn if he is a newly acquired asset he would bench his ass if he thought he was hurting the team, which in the Rangers system he likely would.

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01-31-2012, 04:40 PM
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NO ****ING WAY..NYR loses big time.

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01-31-2012, 04:50 PM
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Pacioretty is worth way more than those two pieces combined to make up for the minimal difference between Subban and Staal.

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01-31-2012, 05:11 PM
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No way. I would much rather keep Patches and Subban.

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01-31-2012, 05:12 PM
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It's not awful, but it doesn't make sense for the Habs.

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01-31-2012, 05:12 PM
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The Habs lost two of their most promising young players. Pass.

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yeah i really don't see Montreal giving up talent like that

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Staal= P.K.
Patches easily > Anisimov
The other two don't even matter.
No need for the Habs to downgrade.

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01-31-2012, 05:24 PM
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While I consider this a good faith effort to give value to both sides, I see each would prefer to hold with what they have.

Pass.
Would consider another look if pieces were added/removed... but still don't see a deal.

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I clicked and was expecting to see: "Since you already took Gomez off our hands what young D prospect would you be willing to give us for Redden?"
I'm disappointed!

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01-31-2012, 05:30 PM
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Staal= P.K.
Patches easily > Anisimov
The other two don't even matter.
No need for the Habs to downgrade.
Sauer doesn't matter? Man he gets underrated around here.

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01-31-2012, 05:37 PM
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Pac>Anisimov
PK<M. Staal
Gill>Sauer

Patches is better than AA, and likely will be in the future. Staal is better than PK, but is coming off a concussion and PK is in a sophomore slump. PK also has massive upside and no one in the org has given up on him yet. Sauer doesn't help us a whole lot, we have a ton of bottom pairing D-men. Gill for us is Trae dealine bait.

In addition, PK (grew up a Habs fan) and Patches (Been pretty huge in the community) genuinely like the city.

If we're giving up Patches AND PK, we'd want an established young star, which NYR don't have.

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Pac>Anisimov
PK<M. Staal
Gill>Sauer

Patches is better than AA, and likely will be in the future. Staal is better than PK, but is coming off a concussion and PK is in a sophomore slump. PK also has massive upside and no one in the org has given up on him yet. Sauer doesn't help us a whole lot, we have a ton of bottom pairing D-men. Gill for us is Trae dealine bait.

In addition, PK (grew up a Habs fan) and Patches (Been pretty huge in the community) genuinely like the city.

If we're giving up Patches AND PK, we'd want an established young star, which NYR don't have.
Shows us how much you watch the Rangers.

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01-31-2012, 06:00 PM
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Shows us how much you watch the Rangers.
I actually watch quite a few NYR games. I compare him to Emelin (who is a little bit less offensively capable and more physical). We don't need D of his calibre, we have depth on D. We need top pairing guys (guy when Markov eventually returns). Obviously we won't get that as our team currently stands, but Sauer doesn't really fit our needs.

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What would the Rangers want Subban over Staal?

Torts would have Subban riding so much pine that he might start to grow branches. He doesn't give a damn if he is a newly acquired asset he would bench his ass if he thought he was hurting the team, which in the Rangers system he likely would.
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I actually watch quite a few NYR games. I compare him to Emelin (who is a little bit less offensively capable and more physical). We don't need D of his calibre, we have depth on D. We need top pairing guys (guy when Markov eventually returns). Obviously we won't get that as our team currently stands, but Sauer doesn't really fit our needs.
Sauer is a legitimate top four defenseman.

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lol I think if you ignore some of the blatant homer comments...the deal is pretty fair...

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I actually watch quite a few NYR games. I compare him to Emelin (who is a little bit less offensively capable and more physical). We don't need D of his calibre, we have depth on D. We need top pairing guys (guy when Markov eventually returns). Obviously we won't get that as our team currently stands, but Sauer doesn't really fit our needs.
I wouldn't mind Sauer, but in a much lesser deal, preferably where Habs are the ones sending the quantity. Makes no sense for NYR though.

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Pac>Anisimov
PK<M. Staal
Gill>Sauer

Patches is better than AA, and likely will be in the future. Staal is better than PK, but is coming off a concussion and PK is in a sophomore slump. PK also has massive upside and no one in the org has given up on him yet. Sauer doesn't help us a whole lot, we have a ton of bottom pairing D-men. Gill for us is Trae dealine bait.
You sure about that?

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lol I think if you ignore some of the blatant homer comments...the deal is pretty fair...
Fair? Maybe.

Making sense based on each team's needs? Not a chance.

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You answered your own question. Subban has more value than Staal. Offensive always have more value than defensive defensemen.
Always? That's a brain-dead statement.

Staal had 9 less points than Subban last season. That's a small amount if you consider that Subban caused 9 goals against last week.

If P.K. Subban has more value than Marc Staal, Scott Gomez has more value than Ryan McDonagh.

The whole premise pf this trade is off though. It would be the team that is at the top of the league looking for the polished NHL defenseman, and the team looking to next year that can take a chance on the immature defenseman hoping he can put it together at the NHL level.

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