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01-21-2012, 07:41 AM
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Jack Johnson or Erik Johnson

Hey guys , if you have to chooe one of them to build your team by the Defence

Jack Johnson 25 , 6'1'' , 230 ....1st round 3rd overall in 2005 HF cote : 8,5B

Erik Johnson 23 , 6'4'' , 235 .... 1st round 1st overall in 2006 HF cote : 9,0B


Wich one would you choose and why ?

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01-21-2012, 07:53 AM
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Both are great but I really like JJ. Great skill, has really smartened up in his own zone and he has a huge chip on his shoulder. He kind of reminds me on Denis Potvin. Not that he's in Potvins elite class but he's well rounded and has that swagger about him.

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01-21-2012, 08:14 AM
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01-21-2012, 08:23 AM
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I didn't realize that as of this moment both players have the exact same number of career points, 120 points to be exact.

Of course, Jack Johnson produced those points in 330 NHL games, while Erik Johnson has produced the same number in 267 NHL games.

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01-21-2012, 10:28 AM
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Erik. Same production (if not a little better), with a stronger defensive game. Also bigger, and one year younger.

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01-21-2012, 10:46 AM
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jack johnson


erik johnson hasnt lived up to his hype yet and may never do so ("next pronger")

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01-21-2012, 11:01 AM
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Im pretty sure Jack Johnson was either a 9.0C or 9.0B.

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01-21-2012, 11:03 AM
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I'd shoot myself before having to build a defense around one of these two.

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01-21-2012, 11:06 AM
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I'd shoot myself before having to build a defense around one of these two.
You could only be a fan of a handful of teams in the NHL and legitimately hold that view IMO.

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01-21-2012, 11:11 AM
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You could only be a fan of a handful of teams in the NHL and legitimately hold that view IMO.
I have nothing against either guy personally (or against the Kings or Avs), I just don't think they're very good. Jack is a complete disaster defensively and Erik has never shown the capability to competently face tough competition. If I had to pick, it'd be Erik but I'd prefer neither. There are quite a few better defensemen on both of their NHL teams.

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01-21-2012, 11:14 AM
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Jack's got the voice, but Eric's got the chops.

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01-21-2012, 11:20 AM
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I have nothing against either guy personally (or against the Kings or Avs), I just don't think they're very good. Jack is a complete disaster defensively and Erik has never shown the capability to competently face tough competition. If I had to pick, it'd be Erik but I'd prefer neither. There are quite a few better defensemen on both of their NHL teams.
Yeah this. They are both decent defensemen but certainly not players you build a team around.

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01-21-2012, 11:23 AM
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Erik has the potential to still be the star #1 guy

Jack is more of a complimentary player, more of a great #3 that is a pp specialist

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01-21-2012, 11:27 AM
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Much prefer EJ, but I would gladly take either.

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01-21-2012, 11:31 AM
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I have nothing against either guy personally (or against the Kings or Avs), I just don't think they're very good. Jack is a complete disaster defensively and Erik has never shown the capability to competently face tough competition. If I had to pick, it'd be Erik but I'd prefer neither. There are quite a few better defensemen on both of their NHL teams.
Interesting viewpoint. I suppose I would be interested in knowing the other "few" defensemen on Colorado that are better than EJ.

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01-21-2012, 11:31 AM
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Don't let their identical DNA fool you.

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01-21-2012, 11:33 AM
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People taking Jack Johnson don't watch him play. He's a disaster. No, really. It doesn't matter if you want to compare scoring chances, shots, corsi, fenwick, goals for/against.. He's rubbish defensively and great on the powerplay. By the numbers or by watching him.

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It's not that he makes mistakes in his own zone, it's that he surprises everyone when he shows up in the right place. The Sharks took advantage of Johnson's play and buried him at even strength.
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Jack Johnson was just destroyed in this series. A look at the WOWY shows the stark details with Johnson on the ice:

Kings w/ Johnson: 14 / 35 - 28.6% of scoring chances
Kings w/o Johnson: 36 / 45 - 44.4% of scoring chances
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The full depth and breadth of the Johnson - Scuderi pairing's inept play are on display here. For every 15 minutes of even strength play, they were giving up four more chances than the Kings were creating to the Couture line. They were giving up between three and five more chances per 15 minutes to the Thornton line.
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...you will see that last season he was dead last among Kings defensemen with 50+ minutes 5v5 game tied. To to be fair, he is a bit better so far this season in FenF% but that isn’t the case in GF% (goals for / (goals for + goals against)). It seems the coaches are questioning his defensive responsibility as well as his short handed ice time has been cut from 1:35 a game last year to 1:07 a game this year.
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No matter how you look at the numbers, Jack Johnson has probably been somewhere between bad and dreadful defensively thus far in his career and while he looks to be developing into a good, or maybe very good, offensive defenseman, particularly on the PP, one has to wonder if making a 7 year big $$ commitment to him was a wise decision. It probably isn’t unusual for defensemen to improve their defensive skills as they age but Johnson has a long way to go to even become an average defensive defenseman.

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Jack Johnson season review
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He recorded a career-high 153 shots but also missed the net a career-high 105 times (3rd most in the NHL among defenseman) for a total of 258 shot attempts at the net. Simple division tells us that JJ hit the net only 59% of the time.
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At first glance, JJ's defensive counting stats lead us to believe that he's improved his positioning in the defensive zone. His hits dropped from 144 to 84 but his blocked shots rose from 86 to 133. But his end-to-end offense affected his giveaway totals which also rose from 42 to 59. Johnson's 2010-11 stats look very similar to his first full season in L.A: 84 hits, 136 blocked shots, 62 giveaways. Which has me asking the question: Is Jack Johnson is the same player defensively that he was four years ago?



If you didn't notice, I'm not particularly fond of him - I love that the Kings still give him 17 minutes a night at even strength because he's actively handicapping them... 2nd worst in relative corsi, 1st in goals against while on the ice among kings D-men...


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01-21-2012, 11:35 AM
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I wish I could combine JJ's offense with EJ's size. That would be one hell of a defenseman.

I choose JJ though, he's definitely the better player at this stage of their careers.

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01-21-2012, 11:36 AM
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Erik Johnson has been beyond amazing since he got back from his injury.

I take EJ 11 times out of 10.

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I feel like people don't watch Avs games if this is how they feel about EJ

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There are some nights when you get very frustrated about Erik Johnson.
Then again he comes back the other night and plays a game which is easily worth being described as a #1 Dman's play.

He's inconsistent right now, yes. But he's already proving he can and WILL become a #1Dman in this league sooner or later.
There have been times I was doubting this as well, but I do not any longer.

So, Erik.

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01-21-2012, 11:41 AM
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I feel like people don't watch Avs games if this is how they feel about EJ
Obvious East Coast bias for Jack Johnson.

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01-21-2012, 11:42 AM
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Obvious East Coast bias for Jack Johnson.
Touche assole

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Erik Johnson 11 times out of 10.

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People forget that EJ is 23 years old and played 3.5 seasons of NHL hockey.

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