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01-22-2012, 07:03 PM
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why does everyone think they will get four 1st rounder last I remember Edmonton did an offer sheet to Dustin Penner and they still had all 4 of there 1st round picks?

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why does everyone think they will get four 1st rounder last I remember Edmonton did an offer sheet to Dustin Penner and they still had all 4 of there 1st round picks?
It has to do with the pay scale, and I am assuming you are talking about Weber. He is likely to fall into the 4 first round draft pick pay scale.

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why does everyone think they will get four 1st rounder last I remember Edmonton did an offer sheet to Dustin Penner and they still had all 4 of there 1st round picks?
It's based on the value amount of the contract signed in the offer sheet.

For last summer it was:

The criteria for RFA draft pick compensation in 2011-12 is as follows:

$1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
$1,034,249 $1,567,043: Third-round pick
$1,567,043 $3,134,088: Second-round pick
$3,134,088 $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
$4,701,131 $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
$6,268,175 $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
$7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks

So it will be similar this summer.

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Don't know how accurate Wiki is but didn't feel like finding a credible site

$1,034,249 and below No compensation
$1,034,250 to $1,567,043 Third-round pick
$1,567,044 to $3,134,088 Second-round pick
$3,134,089 to $4,701,131 First- and third-round pick
$4,701,132 to $6,268,175 First-, second-, and third-round pick
$6,268,176 to $7,835,219 Two first-round picks and a second- and third-round pick
$7,835,220 and above Four first-round picks

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why does everyone think they will get four 1st rounder last I remember Edmonton did an offer sheet to Dustin Penner and they still had all 4 of there 1st round picks?
If I remember corectly they gave up 2 1sts and a 2nd to the Ducks. But the Oil also recieved 2 1sts from the Ducks for Pronger so the 1st the Oliers had were actually originaly the Ducks picks.

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Anaheim got a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. They traded the first, which ended up with Buffalo, I believe. Edmonton got Anaheim's first in the Pronger-Lupul trade.

The reason Anaheim didn't get 4 firsts is because the offersheet wasn't above the threshold for the maximum compensation (6ish million, in 2008, no?)

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If I remember corectly they gave up 2 1sts and a 2nd to the Ducks. But the Oil also recieved 2 1sts from the Ducks for Pronger so the 1st the Oliers had were actually originaly the Ducks picks.
$3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
$4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick

Penner's contract was 5 years, $21.5 million (-$4.25m per year). Today that would have given the Ducks a 1st and 3rd, but back then the thresholds were different, so the Ducks got the Oilers' 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks in 2008

Anaheim received:

- the 13th overall pick (traded away for 17th - Jake Gardiner, and 28th - which was later traded)
- the 43rd overall pick (Justin Schultz)
- the 73rd pick (which was traded for MA Bergeron)

Edmonton received the Ducks' first rounder (22nd overall - Jordan Eberle) in 2008 as a conditional pick which was part of the Pronger trade (the pick was upgraded for Anaheim making the SCF).

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To reply to the OP, it is correct that an offer sheet for a player like Shea Weber would forfeit 4 first round picks, because his salary would likely be in the highest bracket. One way to circumvent it would be to offer a Kovalchuk-like contract in a lower range for a ridululous term - but even then the Predators would have the right to match (assuming he signed it).

e.g. 13 year, $80m contract. 8+8+8+8+7+7+6+6+5+5+4+4+4 (average = $6.15m) which would fall in this range.

$4,701,132 to $6,268,175 First, second and third-round pick

Whether the NHL would allow this is debatable (he would be 40 when it expired), but this would need to be the kind of offer sheet another team would put in front of Weber.


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$3,134,088 $4,701,131:
To reply to the OP, it is correct that an offer sheet for a player like Shea Weber would forfeit 4 first round picks, because his salary would likely be in the highest bracket. One way to circumvent it would be to offer a Kovalchuk-like contract in a lower range for a ridululous term - but even then the Predators would have the right to match (assuming he signed it).

e.g. 13 year, $80m contract. 8+8+8+8+7+7+6+6+5+5+4+4+4 (average = $6.15m)

$4,701,132 to $6,268,175 First, second and third-round pick
That's actually untrue, compensation is determined by the total $ value of the contract divided by 5 years, regardless of the contract length.

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That's actually untrue, compensation is determined by the total $ value of the contract divided by 5 years, regardless of the contract length.
I didn't know that - thanks.

I guess in that case anyone wanting Weber is going to be trading with Nashville rather than coughing up 4 picks.

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That's actually untrue, compensation is determined by the total $ value of the contract divided by 5 years, regardless of the contract length.
So if a 3 yr $30 M deal is offered, the only comp would bs a 1st, 2nd and 3rd?

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That's actually untrue, compensation is determined by the total $ value of the contract divided by 5 years, regardless of the contract length.
*unless the contract is less than 5 years, of course.

but yeah, they thought of that loophole.


edit: so no to above.

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*unless the contract is less than 5 years, of course.

but yeah, they thought of that loophole.


edit: so no to above.
Yeah, I didn't specify that because I thought it was really just common sense, but there you have it.

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