Why not put Vail, Rychel, and Koko on a line together? Vail and Rychel have tremendous chemistry and adding Koko can't hurt. Then have Czinder on a line with Johnson and Marchese, see what happens with them.
I'm starting to wonder if Clarke isn't a defensive forward who happened to get lucky with his offence earlier.
I think the issue you have then is that teams can just put their best checking line against Khokhlachev's line and shut them down and they don't have the supporting cast and depth to score. Even now Khokhlachev is just being suffocated out there by they best checking line teams have. Overall they have done a poor job of giving Khokhlachev a supporting cast some of that is on the players not producing some of that is on management.
To put it in perspective Clarke, Maletta, Alonge, McCann and Bilcke have played a combined 239 games and chipped in 18 goals. This is not including the departed Cortellessa who only scored 1 goal in 31 games. This is all your 3rd and 4th line right there and you haven't gotten much from them. This offseason you need to find gift playmakers and more gifted playmakers. They don't have enough scoring punch currently and even looking into the future. Is a 2nd round pick like Hunter Smith who is still a project going to produce playing with guys like Clarke, Alonge, McCann? No that's not going to happen. One of the biggest reasons Saginaw has been able to recover from a horrific start is having a top playmaker like Trochek have talented guys like Saad 32 points in his last 16 games, Shalla and Locke around him. Lately too much emphasis on size and not enough on playmaking and goalscoring.
I think the issue you have then is that teams can just put their best checking line against Khokhlachev's line and shut them down and they don't have the supporting cast and depth to score. Even now Khokhlachev is just being suffocated out there by they best checking line teams have. Overall they have done a poor job of giving Khokhlachev a supporting cast some of that is on the players not producing some of that is on management.
To put it in perspective Clarke, Maletta, Alonge, McCann and Bilcke have played a combined 239 games and chipped in 18 goals. This is not including the departed Cortellessa who only scored 1 goal in 31 games. This is all your 3rd and 4th line right there and you haven't gotten much from them. This offseason you need to find gift playmakers and more gifted playmakers. They don't have enough scoring punch currently and even looking into the future. Is a 2nd round pick like Hunter Smith who is still a project going to produce playing with guys like Clarke, Alonge, McCann? No that's not going to happen. One of the biggest reasons Saginaw has been able to recover from a horrific start is having a top playmaker like Trochek have talented guys like Saad 32 points in his last 16 games, Shalla and Locke around him. Lately too much emphasis on size and not enough on playmaking and goalscoring.
Next year Saginaw will be in the same spot as Windsor.nobody to play with Trochek
as Saad and Shalla will be gone,while Locke is a natural centerman who does not ha
have the size to play the wing
Windsor had the ideal winger in Kuhnhackl for Koko,as u know he got moved
I think the issue you have then is that teams can just put their best checking line against Khokhlachev's line and shut them down and they don't have the supporting cast and depth to score. Even now Khokhlachev is just being suffocated out there by they best checking line teams have. Overall they have done a poor job of giving Khokhlachev a supporting cast some of that is on the players not producing some of that is on management.
To put it in perspective Clarke, Maletta, Alonge, McCann and Bilcke have played a combined 239 games and chipped in 18 goals. This is not including the departed Cortellessa who only scored 1 goal in 31 games. This is all your 3rd and 4th line right there and you haven't gotten much from them. This offseason you need to find gift playmakers and more gifted playmakers. They don't have enough scoring punch currently and even looking into the future. Is a 2nd round pick like Hunter Smith who is still a project going to produce playing with guys like Clarke, Alonge, McCann? No that's not going to happen. One of the biggest reasons Saginaw has been able to recover from a horrific start is having a top playmaker like Trochek have talented guys like Saad 32 points in his last 16 games, Shalla and Locke around him. Lately too much emphasis on size and not enough on playmaking and goalscoring.
I actually see Studnicka with more offensive upside then Hunter Smith and can see
him battling for a spot in the top 9
You can be assured the spits will draft forwards with their 1st rd pick and their pick
I think Clarke will be trade bait in the off-season. Maybe for our 1A goalie (or even just for picks). He just doesn't seem like he'll have a top nine role for us next season if we draft a forward in the import draft and regular draft. Definitely if Barber or another NCAA-bound forward comes over.
I actually see Studnicka with more offensive upside then Hunter Smith and can see
him battling for a spot in the top 9
You can be assured the spits will draft forwards with their 1st rd pick and their pick
in the Euro draft
I agree Studnicka probably has more upside he has played well recently in Chatham. I have no doubt Studnicka could probably do what Clarke has done this year.
Next year Saginaw will be in the same spot as Windsor.nobody to play with Trochek
as Saad and Shalla will be gone,while Locke is a natural centerman who does not ha
have the size to play the wing
Windsor had the ideal winger in Kuhnhackl for Koko,as u know he got moved
I don't think you get what I am saying. At one point Windsor was 13 points ahead of Saginaw, Saginaw was reeling. People thought Saginaw would sell everything off, they made a head coaching change got themselves a bonafide goaltender and are in the hunt for a 5th seed now. We all know the score and what the Spits wanted to do this year but I still think the organization sold the group at the beginning of the year short. It's quite possible they could have been in the hunt for home ice in the playoffs for at least 1 round but it's all about 2014 so just sit tight for another couple years.
It's quite possible they could have been in the hunt for home ice in the playoffs for at least 1 round but it's all about 2014 so just sit tight for another couple years.
Nah, we'll have to show huge strides next year to be able to convince the Mem Cup committee that we'll be a top team come 2014. In the very least we need to make a couple round run next season. So given we bought last season (after the initial sell), we're really only having one down year before we need to basically go for it again.
Studnika has shown he can play in the OHL at least in my eyes, i hope he has another STRONG summer with the regulars like Vail, Rychel, Koko, Posa along with other Local and returning players that played in the NHL/AHL players in the Summer. As of right now are top 6 forwards are Vail, Rychel, Koko, Marchese, Johnson with are import pick as the other top 6. as for bottom 6 i can see Maletta, Clarke, McCann, Alonge, Bilcke, Watson, Studnika, Smith along with are Draft picks and Free agent signings/Camp invites all in a battle for a regular spot
Nah, we'll have to show huge strides next year to be able to convince the Mem Cup committee that we'll be a top team come 2014. In the very least we need to make a couple round run next season. So given we bought last season (after the initial sell), we're really only having one down year before we need to basically go for it again.
i do believe in 2014 even if we host then we go for it if not then they start having a team that can compete year in and year out and plan for the next time the OHL host to try for the bid witch makes this off season very important
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Studnika has shown he can play in the OHL at least in my eyes, i hope he has another STRONG summer with the regulars like Vail, Rychel, Koko, Posa along with other Local and returning players that played in the NHL/AHL players in the Summer. As of right now are top 6 forwards are Vail, Rychel, Koko, Marchese, Johnson with are import pick as the other top 6. as for bottom 6 i can see Maletta, Clarke, McCann, Alonge, Bilcke, Watson, Studnika, Smith along with are Draft picks and Free agent signings/Camp invites all in a battle for a regular spot
Czinder will likely fall into your second group, I suspect he'll be allowed to at least compete for an OA spot next season. Maletta, Studnicka, Smith, Czinder, Bilcke, First Round 16 yr old, Watson, McCann, Alonge - is why I figure Clarke could be trade bait to get us a 93 goalie.
Czinder will likely fall into your second group, I suspect he'll be allowed to at least compete for an OA spot next season. Maletta, Studnicka, Smith, Czinder, Bilcke, First Round 16 yr old, Watson, McCann, Alonge - is why I figure Clarke could be trade bait to get us a 93 goalie.
i would rather see Czinder go then Clarke. Clarke is a 17 yr old Rookie who has hit a wall after a good first half while Czinder is a 19 yr old who basically you get what you see in him. Yes Clarke can get you more but why not keep him around to see how he develops in the Off season.
I think that keeping Czinder around is kinda pointless in my eyes i mean yes he has improved alot sence last year but your goal now should be to compete for 2014 and with him playing it takes away time from a young Watson, Studnika, Smith ETC, who could get good playing time Plus if WR wants to also compete next season so maybe keep an OA spot open for a player like say Bailie or Morrison if you can not get a 93 goalie.
You can always get pics for Posa or Braithwaite if you have a kid Surprise you out of camp and does good as a call up much like McNaughton has done sence we got him from Brampton.
i would rather see Czinder go then Clarke. Clarke is a 17 yr old Rookie who has hit a wall after a good first half while Czinder is a 19 yr old who basically you get what you see in him. Yes Clarke can get you more but why not keep him around to see how he develops in the Off season.
I think that keeping Czinder around is kinda pointless in my eyes i mean yes he has improved alot sence last year but your goal now should be to compete for 2014 and with him playing it takes away time from a young Watson, Studnika, Smith ETC, who could get good playing time Plus if WR wants to also compete next season so maybe keep an OA spot open for a player like say Bailie or Morrison if you can not get a 93 goalie.
You can always get pics for Posa or Braithwaite if you have a kid Surprise you out of camp and does good as a call up much like McNaughton has done sence we got him from Brampton.
The question becomes what does Clarke do that can be useful going forward. If you can find a player that is younger that can do the same job then there's no reason to keep Clarke on your roster. I still don't think Watson should be in Windsor he's going to be 18 next year, probably stuck on the 3rd/4th line not getting much look from scouts probably best served taking the NCAA route. They need to find either a starting goalie or one that can split time with DeKort if Windsor ends up getting an OA goaltender that would certainly spell the end of either Braithwaite, Posa, Czinder and quite possibly two of them. They really need to find a veteran goal scorer to help this group who is starved for goal scoring. Czinder doesn't cut it really the guy has gone into the tank. Kerby's buddy needs to go as well, 0 goals in 40+ games and it's not far fetched to say he wouldn't be on another OHL team right now. Time to trim the fat and show they are serious about putting together a good product.
The question becomes what does Clarke do that can be useful going forward. If you can find a player that is younger that can do the same job then there's no reason to keep Clarke on your roster. I still don't think Watson should be in Windsor he's going to be 18 next year, probably stuck on the 3rd/4th line not getting much look from scouts probably best served taking the NCAA route. They need to find either a starting goalie or one that can split time with DeKort if Windsor ends up getting an OA goaltender that would certainly spell the end of either Braithwaite, Posa, Czinder and quite possibly two of them. They really need to find a veteran goal scorer to help this group who is starved for goal scoring. Czinder doesn't cut it really the guy has gone into the tank. Kerby's buddy needs to go as well, 0 goals in 40+ games and it's not far fetched to say he wouldn't be on another OHL team right now. Time to trim the fat and show they are serious about putting together a good product.
good post and thank you
i have been say that the whole year and if when czinder score 10 goals in 10 game i still said there is no reason for him on this team
and everyone here jumped down my neck ..
we need to take
czinder
posa
maccan
clake
alonge
and get rid of them in the offseason
our top 6 should be
barber/ koko/ import
rchel/ vail/ johnson
Marchese/first round pick / Maletta
Bilcke/studnicka/ smith
5th line
watson/16old /Allen
devlin/ ebert
Braithwaite/ bateman
Butcher/ traded player
Mcnaughton/Friedman
dekort
trade for a goalie
i think with this line up we should be a top 4 team next year --
and if we can get guys like
de guisppe
seloff
would be even better we get that line up with those 2 players we r the best team in the west with london
The question becomes what does Clarke do that can be useful going forward. If you can find a player that is younger that can do the same job then there's no reason to keep Clarke on your roster. I still don't think Watson should be in Windsor he's going to be 18 next year, probably stuck on the 3rd/4th line not getting much look from scouts probably best served taking the NCAA route. They need to find either a starting goalie or one that can split time with DeKort if Windsor ends up getting an OA goaltender that would certainly spell the end of either Braithwaite, Posa, Czinder and quite possibly two of them. They really need to find a veteran goal scorer to help this group who is starved for goal scoring. Czinder doesn't cut it really the guy has gone into the tank. Kerby's buddy needs to go as well, 0 goals in 40+ games and it's not far fetched to say he wouldn't be on another OHL team right now. Time to trim the fat and show they are serious about putting together a good product.
My feeling is that they will take a run at goalie Chartrand from Belleville a 93 born,
or D"asgostini from Peterborough another 93 born
I would not use an O/A spot for a goalie in 2012/13 if I can avoid it
If Windsor does Morrison or Baille from Oshawa would be on the radar screen
Both are committed to another season with the USDTP program
Speaking to an American agent the the other day he feels Allen will go to Uof M
after next season
I think u can add Calderone"s name to the list of possible players next year
btw I am against trading Posa and Braithwaite, they will make suitable O/As
yeaa thats why i put allen on the 5th line ... as for butcher last time i talked to someone he was the person out of our americans that was coming over
as for posa and braithwaite i feel as we will have to trade atleast one of them to get a 93 defenceman who will be here for an o/a mem cup run
maybe a guy like DeMelo from missy
but i think with that top 4 lines i put there we will be ok
The question becomes what does Clarke do that can be useful going forward. If you can find a player that is younger that can do the same job then there's no reason to keep Clarke on your roster. I still don't think Watson should be in Windsor he's going to be 18 next year, probably stuck on the 3rd/4th line not getting much look from scouts probably best served taking the NCAA route. They need to find either a starting goalie or one that can split time with DeKort if Windsor ends up getting an OA goaltender that would certainly spell the end of either Braithwaite, Posa, Czinder and quite possibly two of them. They really need to find a veteran goal scorer to help this group who is starved for goal scoring. Czinder doesn't cut it really the guy has gone into the tank. Kerby's buddy needs to go as well, 0 goals in 40+ games and it's not far fetched to say he wouldn't be on another OHL team right now. Time to trim the fat and show they are serious about putting together a good product.
I think Windsor is goal starved as u say because Koko,Czinder,Clarke,Ebert,and to a
lesser extent Johnson and Vail have gone cold
That group of 6 have scored 14 goals in the last 15 games combined,and thats with
vail and johnson with 4 each
Spits despite the low scoring are 7-7-0-1 in the last 15 games with 9 of those
on the road
they have scored 45 goals and allowed 43
I dont disagree they need a scorer although as I mentioned before for another reason
Tom Kuhnhackl"s trade no doubt contributes to the lack of scoring
Its a good thing Marchese was brought in as he definitely contributes more then
yeaa thats why i put allen on the 5th line ... as for butcher last time i talked to someone he was the person out of our americans that was coming over
as for posa and braithwaite i feel as we will have to trade atleast one of them to get a 93 defenceman who will be here for an o/a mem cup run
maybe a guy like DeMelo from missy
but i think with that top 4 lines i put there we will be ok
Defence is where we need help
I think there is a chance that Butcher will be here for the 2013/2014 run year
I like Corrado too on the back end,would be interested to see what the price
would be to acquire him
If the spits were to have Butcher,Seiloff,Corrado to go along with Ebert,Bateman
Devlin,with Mcnaughton and Bowen around I would be pleased with that group
for the 2013/14 season, though u can bet another youngster or 2 would be part
