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01-27-2012, 10:58 AM
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Good post Marcel. I have always contended that having a goon in the lineup just makes the other teams players think. And it helps our players relax. None of which can be proven conclusively. But there was a reason the league evolved naturally to them being in the lineup. It was not scripted that all teams were going to have them. It just happened.

Ovi of all people was our heavy last year, and I think his play may have reflected it. Now he can't even bring a little dirty without being under the powerful shanny microscope of idiocy.

If anyone doesn't think a guy like Ovi, Semin or Green liked having Brashear, why do you think that? Do they think Brashear was to blame for our playoff failures? Look at their numbers when Brash was policing Verizon.


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01-27-2012, 11:31 AM
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It would be an admission on his part that he made a mistake.
Yes but more importantly I think you have to feel pretty strongly about a player to make that kind of commitment and and a less than stellar first 40-50 games under that contract is not going to be enough to really change that feeling too much.

I'm not saying that if someone came to him and wanted Laich and/or Ward and was offering pieces that McPhee thought would improve the team he wouldn't do it but there is no way he is shopping those guys based on their play this season up until now.

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01-27-2012, 11:33 AM
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i dont get the hype for saku, he's worse than johansson and laich and he's a 3C on a good team
Koivu is an upgrade over Johansson as far as driving possession goes and 90 is best suited playing wing for the time being. It's not ideal but the sort of rental GMGM has targeted.

As far as protection goes I like Tim Jackman a bit better than Parros. Calgary is likely more a desperate buyer than seller, of course, though they'll need to dump some salary once they get healthy again.

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01-27-2012, 11:34 AM
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i dont get the hype for saku, he's worse than johansson and laich and he's a 3C on a good team
A 50 point 3C is a nice luxury for any team. But regardless, at this point we're replacing Perreault in the top 6, not Johansson or Laich.

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01-27-2012, 11:48 AM
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But there was a reason the league evolved naturally to them being in the lineup. It was not scripted that all teams were going to have them. It just happened.
But it was far more common back in the day to have guys that could both throw and score: Tiger Williams, Dan Maloney, Willi Plett, Al Secord (Secord had a year where he scored 44 goals and had 303 PIMs; and then he scored 54 the next year), our esteemed coach, and Probert in his prime.

There aren't many like that anymore. Chris Neil is the guy that comes closest and he doesn't score at nearly the same rate as any of the guys mentioned above -- he's more a Chris Nilan type.

I'm not in favor of getting a guy who can't do anything but fight the other team's guy who can only fight and can't play. I think the league really is moving past those guys. And I wish we didn't have to go out and get a Rupp-type or Neil-type or Shawn Thornont-type of guy -- but I we have to add that capability.

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01-27-2012, 11:53 AM
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The_Creasy tweeted that we are in talks with the Sabres regarding Roy and Johansson

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01-27-2012, 12:00 PM
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The_Creasy tweeted that we are in talks with the Sabres regarding Roy and Johansson
Who??

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The_Creasy tweeted that we are in talks with the Sabres regarding Roy and Johansson

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The_Creasy tweeted that we are in talks with the Sabres regarding Roy and Johansson
That does not sound like a McPhee move. Swapping a young up-and-comer for a guy who may have peaked already and who is listed at 5'8" 188. We don't need another undersized center.

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01-27-2012, 12:13 PM
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What would be the cost for Frans Nielsen? IMO he seems like the most likeliest GMGM target and I do like his two-way game.

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01-27-2012, 12:18 PM
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He is not a source. He probably made that up based on Langway's post about Morrow a page back.

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01-27-2012, 12:22 PM
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He has made a couple decent rumors. Some of them actually happened

The ones that don't happen is when he says that two teams are talking..

Teams talk every day about trades, doesn't mean it will happen

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01-27-2012, 12:43 PM
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He has made a couple decent rumors. Some of them actually happened

The ones that don't happen is when he says that two teams are talking..

Teams talk every day about trades, doesn't mean it will happen
I just looked at his twitter account and his messages over the last few hours. This guy definitely takes the bird shot approach when it comes to rumors. He's throwing them out left and right hoping he hits the mark on just one of them. Guys like him and Andy McDonald is why twitter can make you

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there was a reason the league evolved naturally to them being in the lineup. It was not scripted that all teams were going to have them. It just happened. .
the natural evolution of the goon/heavy was charted by general managers and coaches that wanted them. they didnt grow up out of the ice. that position evolved to the point where the philadelphia flyers took so great advantage of that available option that it had gotten completely out of hand.

dave schultz had 472 pims in 74/75. dupont had 276 pims and the team had 6 players over 100 pim's plus bob kelly at 99.

the instigator is a direct result of that. the 3rd man in rule , the automatic suspension for leaving the bench and the instigator all go back to that time.

how much of that would you like to see eliminated?

btw...there was not a single european player on the 74/75 flyers.

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Yea.........the Caps and Sabres can "talk" all they want but I don't want to see Johansson going anywhere. He's proving himself a little bit right now with injuries and such. He seems to be gaining confidence.

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01-27-2012, 12:56 PM
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He is not a source. He probably made that up based on Langway's post about Morrow a page back.


You'd question the veracity of this guy? You're a braver man than me.

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01-27-2012, 01:00 PM
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That was a good post by Marcel. It is a great thought and maybe a real goon (not DJ King) that can actually fight and will go out and stick up for teammates is needed. Look at the Bruins they have used Shawn Thorton the past couple of years

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01-27-2012, 01:02 PM
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Shawn Thorntons don't grow on trees. But then again, McPhee doesn't seem to find any character players who don't grow on trees. So that's a moot point.

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01-27-2012, 01:08 PM
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A 50 point 3C is a nice luxury for any team. But regardless, at this point we're replacing Perreault in the top 6, not Johansson or Laich.
At this pointm Perreault is a better solution than a 3rd line C in Koivu who was ONCE a good 2nd line C.

Funny how you dump on the C who's got the best shooting % on your team at 28% and who plays the least time.
Give Perreault MOJo's TOI and he would be better offensively.
In any case MoJo on MP's wing was great the other night.

You got on this team a good 3rd line centerman in Laich/Halpern....
By inserting Perreault with Semin and MoJo, you got instantly a good 1-2 punch.

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01-27-2012, 01:16 PM
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Jesus. Perreault is not a solution at center. If he isn't murdered within two periods of playoff hockey, you can count on him to lose every board/crease battle. Nevermind that his defense is atrocious.

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01-27-2012, 01:18 PM
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At this pointm Perreault is a better solution than a 3rd line C in Koivu who was ONCE a good 2nd line C.

Funny how you dump on the C who's got the best shooting % on your team at 28% and who plays the least time.
Give Perreault MOJo's TOI and he would be better offensively.
In any case MoJo on MP's wing was great the other night.
Give Perreault MOJo's TOI and he would be exposed. He's always had his minutes closely managed for a reason. He still isn't polished enough to warrant that big of a bump up in role. Love the energy, the effort but his size is always going to be an issue in slowing down the opposition through the neutral zone and his skating could stand to be a bit more powerful for a player of his size.

I do agree that they're covered well enough when it comes to primarily defensive-minded centers. They need one that can drive a scoring line. Perreault has done a real nice job the past few games but forgive us if we may not think he can keep it up.

Nielsen should cost similar to Belanger (a second) or maybe a bit more. But, again, they need more than that.

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Yes, Perreault's current shooting percentage is a great argument in his favor.


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Jesus. Perreault is not a solution at center. If he isn't murdered within two periods of playoff hockey, you can count on him to lose every board/crease battle. Nevermind that his defense is atrocious.
I don't know how you did not notice him coming out of board battles with the puck...
He is also over 60% on faceoffs.

And....at least he will go in the crease......

That pass by Semin to Perreault.....wasn't he in the crease?

And that goal in the 3rd, wasn't he in the crease to get that rebound in?

I fail also to understand the deterrent because of size.


There are just too many undersized kids having success right now in this League to not at least give him a serious trial.....something that should be done asap before the trade deadline.

If you don't do it, some other team will.....

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01-27-2012, 01:35 PM
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People bash MP85 because he is small

Herp derp Martin St. Louis. Herp derp

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There are just too many undersized kids having success right now in this League to not at least give him a serious trial.....something that should be done asap before the trade deadline.
....which...is...happening.

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