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02-02-2012, 01:53 PM
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And next year Josh Harding will take us to a Stanley Cup. Keep dreaming Michal Neuvirth is not getting traded and this team needs a lot more than Vermette
Harding's a better goalie than Neuvirth.

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And next year Josh Harding will take us to a Stanley Cup.
If not Harding, Nabokov.

If not him, some other aging "used to be good goaltender". I've got John Vanbiesbrouck on line 1 btw, fits the aging and former division rival criteria.

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If not Harding, Nabokov.

If not him, some other aging "used to be good goaltender". I've got John Vanbiesbrouck on line 1 btw, fits the aging and former division rival criteria.
Man, you're trolling hard.

It's making you look almost worse than you did during the draft. Almost.


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Harding's a better goalie than Neuvirth.
Neuvirth has done more than Harding and he's only played one season.

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Ah yes, ignore the rest of the substance. They're not one "Antoine Vermette" from hoisting the Cup, They're Vermette, Ovechkin, Backstrom, Green, plus some players getting hot in the post-season away. If you don't think he improves the team, then you're either just dense or trolling.
Or not a homer, whatever works best though.

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Neuvirth has done more than Harding and he's only played one season.
Who cares who's 'done more'? Antti Niemi has "done more" than Jonathan Quick.

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Or not a homer, whatever works best though.
So a "not a homer" considers Neuvirth a starting goalie? Right.

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Who cares who's 'done more'? Antti Niemi has "done more" than Jonathan Quick.
Yeah but Harding is an upcoming UFA who has never had a starting job.
Neuvirth is a 2nd year player who held his own as a rookie.

Who would you rather have when it counts?

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Yeah but Harding is an upcoming UFA who has never had a starting job.
Neuvirth is a 2nd year player who held his own as a rookie.

Who would you rather have when it counts?
The better goalie. Every single time.

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The better goalie. Every single time.
Harding isn't better than Neuvirth.
And Neuvirth is still developing.

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Neuvirth is awful he's never gonna be a starter on a cup contending team. He lacks that fire, and comes off lacking confidence and as a ***** in a way. He was good last year, but was mediocre in the playoffs for the most part. Not to mention he's single handedly lost about half the games he's played in this year. And Carlzner... It's really getting old. Hop off Neuvys ****. He clearly sucks, at least this year. Give it up.

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Harding is it better than Neuvirth.
And Neuvirth is still developing.
And when is he going to be done developing? 3 years? 4?

'Still developing' doesn't help win a Cup now.

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So a "not a homer" considers Neuvirth a starting goalie? Right.
Okay, you win Wiz. You clearly know more than I.

If we can't land Vermette, who else will put us over the top? Are we one Radim Vrbata away? Can I call Espen Knutsen's agent to see if he'd like to fill our 2C hole? What other mediocre player can we get to center our second line? I think I'm the only one who doesn't see us being "THAT CLOSE *finger pinch*" this year.

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This team is not a 2C away from a Stanley Cup. This team is not a single player away from a Stanley Cup. Certainly not a single player that could be fetched by Michal Neuvirth + pick.

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Again with the hyperbole and trolling. You can't put together a legitimate argument, so you pull names like Espen Knutsen, Mike Richter, and John Vanbiesbrouck.

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And when is he going to be done developing? 3 years? 4?

'Still developing' doesn't help win a Cup now.
Oh but UFA backup Josh Harding will? Ha.

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02-02-2012, 02:09 PM
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Oh but UFA backup Josh Harding will? Ha.
You know, adding 'ha', 'lol', or any assorted laughing smilies doesn't help your argument, right?

If the options for next year are Harding + a 2C or just Neuvirth, then yes, UFA backup Harding will help win a Cup now more so than Neuvirth will.

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Again with the hyperbole and trolling. You can't put together a legitimate argument, so you pull names like Espen Knutsen, Mike Richter, and John Vanbiesbrouck.
Welp, Espen Knutsen was as good as Vermette.

Beezer and Richter certainly fall under the logic that we just dump all of our young goalies and sign an "average veteran" logic.

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You know, adding 'ha', 'lol', or any assorted laughing smilies doesn't help your argument, right?

If the options for next year are Harding + a 2C or just Neuvirth, then yes, UFA backup Harding will help win a Cup now more so than Neuvirth will.
Harding + 2C requires them to make big adjustments capwise (Harding comes in at, what, at least 2-3 times the price of Neuvirth?) that they might not want to make.

Of course who knows what their plan really is, or even who will be the one to make them.

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Welp, Espen Knutsen was as good as Vermette.

Beezer and Richter certainly fall under the logic that we just dump all of our young goalies and sign an "average veteran" logic.
Welp, Espen Knutsen wasn't as good as Vermette, and he doesn't play anymore, so yeah, it's just trolling.

Where did I say we should 'dump all of our young goalies and sign an "average veteran"? Care to point it out?

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You know, adding 'ha', 'lol', or any assorted laughing smilies doesn't help your argument, right?

If the options for next year are Harding + a 2C or just Neuvirth, then yes, UFA backup Harding will help win a Cup now more so than Neuvirth will.
Or, we could keep the more proven goalie with potential, and sign someone better than Vermette in the offseason... Plus Kuz, possibly someone from the draft... Who knows. But Neuvirth is the better option than Harding and there are other options to improve than Trading Neuvirth.

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Or, we could keep the more proven goalie with potential, and sign someone better than Vermette in the offseason... Plus Kuz, possibly someone outside the draft... Who knows. But Neuvirth is the better option than Harding and there are other options to improve than Trading Neuvirth.
Who's better than Vermette that's available to sign in the offseason?

I'm ignoring the Neuvirth stuff, because I'm convinced you wouldn't trade him for Tim Thomas due to his 'potential'.

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Harding + 2C requires them to make big adjustments capwise (Harding comes in at, what, at least 2-3 times the price of Neuvirth?) that they might not want to make.
Oh come, Vermette "only" makes 3.75 and Harding will probably only want a solid 3. A much better idea than Neuvirth at 1.1 and a solid...6 million to upgrade it with "not Vermette".

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The Caps have many routes to Cap flexibility next year. $6-7 million for a 2C and starting G wouldn't hinder them in the slightest if they wanted to be bold.

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The Caps have many routes to Cap flexibility next year. $6-7 million for a 2C and starting G wouldn't hinder them in the slightest if they wanted to be bold.
Could be a big if. Depends on who's in charge and what kind of message they're trying to send, too.

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