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01-24-2012, 10:23 AM
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Only a significant STH drop makes McPhee walk the plank IMO.

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We're not getting Suter. I'd rather get a cheaper d man ala Detroit with Ian White, and then keep Wideman if we get rid of Green.
i think you are putting conditions in here that arent likely, specifically getting rid of Green. if the surgery works, he will stay. its really hard to consider moving either wideman or green as long as carlson is struggling and with all three of them hitting on all cylinders you would think the caps would have a real advantage initiating offense from their own zone and in transition.

seems to me that hunter's system demands that.

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01-24-2012, 10:26 AM
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Can't wait for Ian White and Dennis Wideman to carry us to a cup. After Green dies on the ice in a quarterfinal game.

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Only a significant STH drop makes McPhee walk the plank IMO.
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i guess that depends on the facts as they play out and what your definition of excuse verses reason might be.

if you're saying that there is no valid reason and any cause for fail is an excuse, i doubt leonsis works that way.

i think you can hope. if the capitals lose to boston tonight, i think you would be hard pressed to either blame mcphee for ov, backstrom, and green to be out of the lineup or to say that it had no effect and they should have won.
Green being injured shouldn't be anything new around here. They won despite Green missing half the season last year. Backstrom's injury is debilitating but also magnifies GMGM's inability to have any center depth, which has been the case for his tenure. The team has been consistently inconsistent with Backstrom in the lineup anyways, without its just worst. Brouwer has been the only acquisition that's panned out, with Ward being completely inept, and the Hamrlik signing being a disaster. Wait and see as far as the DH hiring goes, but hiring another inexperienced coach doesn't make too much sense, granted the options were limited.

Two problems I've always had with GMGM: 1) Center depth, always emphasized W's more than anything 2) Inability to build a competent, cup-winning defense. Both concerns remain.

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01-24-2012, 10:32 AM
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True.

I do like Wideman tho. Granted, he makes some bad decisions from time to time, but overall he's rather serviceable back there. Get a like a 2 year deal at $4.25 worked out...I'd be fine with that.
I just have a feeling Wideman might be the type to take a bit of a discount for a 3 year deal from the Caps. He's moved around a bit, might want some security in a place he's comfortable and the Caps seem to value him. But what do I know, he might want the big pay day.

Wonder what a Wideman/Knuble combo would get from the Flyers?

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01-24-2012, 10:38 AM
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i keep wondering what people were expecting from ward? the past two seasons ward has been a 10-13 goal scorer. he's on pace for around 10 now. what he has done is over performed in the playoffs. 2g/4pts in 6 games and then 7g/13pts in 12 games. as far as i can tell he was not acquired for regular season play.

this is the reverse of putting up big numbers in the regular season and struggling in the playoffs. this is a guy that has shown that he is clutch when the game is its hardest and hurts the most.

what were you expecting? his first ever 20 goal season?

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i keep wondering what people were expecting from ward? the past two seasons ward has been a 10-13 goal scorer. he's on pace for around 10 now. what he has done is over performed in the playoffs. 2g/4pts in 6 games and then 7g/13pts in 12 games. as far as i can tell he was not acquired for regular season play.

this is the reverse of putting up big numbers in the regular season and struggling in the playoffs. this is a guy that has shown that he is clutch when the game is its hardest and hurts the most.

what were you expecting? his first ever 20 goal season?
I have a hard time believing Ward can just turn it on come the playoffs. It worked in a structured Nashville system, can't see that translating in the identity crisis here. Also don't get why you would waste $3mil on a 3rd liner, that money could be better served elsewhere.

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01-24-2012, 10:43 AM
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I just have a feeling Wideman might be the type to take a bit of a discount for a 3 year deal from the Caps. He's moved around a bit, might want some security in a place he's comfortable and the Caps seem to value him. But what do I know, he might want the big pay day.

Wonder what a Wideman/Knuble combo would get from the Flyers?
How many players have given McPhee a discount ever? Backstrom and who else?

I'd be surprised if his next deal came in as low as $4.25. That's what Kaberle signed for. If he keeps his point pace up and finishes with 55+, he should touch $5 million.

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i keep wondering what people were expecting from ward? the past two seasons ward has been a 10-13 goal scorer. he's on pace for around 10 now. what he has done is over performed in the playoffs. 2g/4pts in 6 games and then 7g/13pts in 12 games. as far as i can tell he was not acquired for regular season play.

this is the reverse of putting up big numbers in the regular season and struggling in the playoffs. this is a guy that has shown that he is clutch when the game is its hardest and hurts the most.

what were you expecting? his first ever 20 goal season?
I don't care if he scores. I care about how he plays. He provides nothing.

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I have a hard time believing Ward can just turn it on come the playoffs. It worked in a structured Nashville system, can't see that translating in the identity crisis here. Also don't get why you would waste $3mil on a 3rd liner, that money could be better served elsewhere.
Meh. I like Ward.

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01-24-2012, 10:48 AM
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The disappointment with Ward isn't his lack of scoring, it's his lack of executing the things a third liner should do. For a good 2 month stretch, the only thing he's done well is battle along the boards. He's been sub-par defensively, made stupid decisions, provided no physicality, etc.

You don't pay $3 million for strong board play. He's gotta provide something before the playoffs.

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i keep wondering what people were expecting from ward? the past two seasons ward has been a 10-13 goal scorer. he's on pace for around 10 now. what he has done is over performed in the playoffs. 2g/4pts in 6 games and then 7g/13pts in 12 games. as far as i can tell he was not acquired for regular season play.

this is the reverse of putting up big numbers in the regular season and struggling in the playoffs. this is a guy that has shown that he is clutch when the game is its hardest and hurts the most.
what were you expecting? his first ever 20 goal season?
Pretty much describes the game this evening. Perfect time for a preview of the Wardian Fury? Perhaps a Momma Ward shaking her finger clip on the jumbotron.

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01-24-2012, 11:01 AM
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The disappointment with Ward isn't his lack of scoring, it's his lack of executing the things a third liner should do. For a good 2 month stretch, the only thing he's done well is battle along the boards. He's been sub-par defensively, made stupid decisions, provided no physicality, etc.

You don't pay $3 million for strong board play. He's gotta provide something before the playoffs.
It would be nice to have a constant set of line mates. The Chimera - Laich - Ward line...it worked...but with injuries and coaching changes...he's been floating from line to line.

Meh. I'm willing to wait on him to find a level of comfort and for the playoffs.

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What has Joel Ward done that Matt Bradley didn't do?

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Playoff points or not, he's not allowed to just suck for 80 games at $3M. I don't even trust the guy on the 4th line and he's paid way too much to play there.

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I guess I'm not too keen on judging Hunter too quickly or Johnson for that matter. There are aspects of the game that have improved IMO. Improvements I've seen:

1. I don't have the numbers but I'm guessing the penalty kill has improved compared to pre-Hunter.

2. I'm not so sure the PP hasn't improve also although granted there is plenty of room for improvement there.

3. Specific players have shown more fight and interest, specifically Ovechkin and Semin and to me that's huge. Both looked disinterested under Boudreau so that seemed to be going absolutely nowhere.

4. The goals against was down but I'm not sure where it is ATM.

5. Other players have shown improvement. Hamrlik is the one that comes to mind the most but I think his time with Hunter has coincided with perhaps just getting healthy or at least a combo of the two.

6. Shot blocking has become more of an art under Hunter. I remember when Carolina won the Cup they shotblocked like heck. To me it's a requirement for playoff success. I hate to say it but the Habs did it too a couple of years ago.

7. Odd man rushes and breakaways have lessened. For some time it seemed like it was nothing to have a minimum of five of those a game. Maybe that number is exaggerated because that's what it seemed like.

8. IMO mental toughness is starting to improve. The comeback at Columbus seemed to get that headed in the right direction. I thought the comeback in Pittsburgh was huge. I honestly was following that game via the internet and after two goals I gave up. I was pleasantly surprised to see the result even though they fell short.

9. I liked what I saw behind the bench during the only game (Columbus) I attended. JJ was full of instruction and encouragement.

10. Goaltending has improved but I have no idea what to attribute that to. LOL

11. They are showing more moxie. I know the Backstrom thing was a bummer but they are still showing signs of sticking up for one another. And I'm hoping they take some more steps with that in these upcoming games without their star players. Picking up at least some points in these next three games could be huge in really moving this team in the right direction.

I guess in summary to me we're still somewhat in the infancy of understanding what Hunter wants. He said his goal was to get the defensive zone straightened out first. I think it's still a work in progress but it is taking shape. I wish I had seen the 2nd period of the Pens game. The Caps have had good offensive periods so I'm hoping that those become more frequent as the players start to fully grasp what Hunter wants.

<sign> sorry this is lengthy - I got carried away.

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01-24-2012, 11:14 AM
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Retained the majority of his blood... but since the blood clearly had magical, game-winning powers for the Caps that's not a good thing.

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I think Carlson's defensive play has been taking a toll on us. We are barely scoring so we can't make defensive mistakes. He is just a kid a sophomore so he largely gets a free pass for where he is in his development, cap hit, and work load. Changing systems on him... looking at our D corp, its logical he is the one struggling.

I really think we loaded him up from the get go. Many times I check, he is way over 20 minutes. We have been using him mostly as a defensive shutdown specialist... that's more Alzner's game, lets not fool ourselves.

Of late, Wideman, Hammer, Alzner, Orlov Tenders... all playing decent. Carlson. Yikes. I think if we can get him sorted out, we can win defensive games until we get our guns back, and Dale having a backbone in place to sort out how to use the guns to their max in his vision of our team.

I dont think any of his fans want to know what % of goals against were scored with him on the ice since Dale took over. And since Tex and I argued about who is better defensively, he or Green.

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I think Carlson's defensive play has been taking a toll on us. We are barely scoring so we can't make defensive mistakes. He is just a kid a sophomore so he largely gets a free pass for where he is in his development, cap hit, and work load. Changing systems on him... looking at our D corp, its logical he is the one struggling.

I really think we loaded him up from the get go. Many times I check, he is way over 20 minutes. We have been using him mostly as a defensive shutdown specialist... that's more Alzner's game, lets not fool ourselves.

Of late, Wideman, Hammer, Alzner, Orlov Tenders... all playing decent. Carlson. Yikes. I think if we can get him sorted out, we can win defensive games until we get our guns back, and Dale having a backbone in place to sort out how to use the guns to their max in his vision of our team.

I dont think any of his fans want to know what % of goals against were scored with him on the ice since Dale took over. And since Tex and I argued about who is better defensively, he or Green.
I couldn't figure out how to filter it by month, the overall season numbers aren't kind to Carlson or Laich.

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I couldn't figure out how to filter it by month, the overall season numbers aren't kind to Carlson or Laich.
I think Japers had a stat about 3 weeks ago. Since then I have been keeping a loose eye on it. It does not appear to have gotten better for 74. It used to be sophomore slumps were so common... not sure how its changed over time.

I hope Dale sees that Laich number. I for one never really saw Chim Laich Ward as a shutdown line. They are a checking line first and foremost to me. Perhaps Dale with really no other line being consistent is trying to make the best of being A checking line team and using them in every way he can... outside of being a scoring line naturally. Laich 32 and Ward 24 are up there in takes, but think it may be about their high TOI while in a shutdown roles.

Laich -10 - worst on the team.

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i dont recall ward being physical. i recall him being strong. iirc his playoff game is all about being strong and battling players for pucks in the corners and in front of the net. i can guess that he does not wear down thru a season like many players and come playoffs his strenth advantage comes to the for.

i dont expect him to be john druce or anything but in the playoffs you would think chimera and ward are a pretty strong pair of wingers. his regular season play doesnt phase me

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I really think we loaded him up from the get go. Many times I check, he is way over 20 minutes. We have been using him mostly as a defensive shutdown specialist... that's more Alzner's game, lets not fool ourselves. .
boudreau put in a role that he flourished in last season. he played the shutdown role because it worked for him. btw....yes, its alzner's game but usually teams play two defensemen at a time....and green isn't available.

you think orlov is better suited?

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I wouldn't say "flourish" is the quite the right word. His pairing did well in that role but I don't think any would deny that Alzner nosed him out in defensive zone flourishmentation. Is it possible for one to flourish in a shutdown role, yet lead his D in turnovers?

What stands out was that Carlson racked up 37 points last year. If he was flourishing as a defensive dman while racking up close to 40 points, how did he fall off the surface of the ice so quickly? What's happened? Did he forget how to play defense?

He played the shutdown role because that is where bruce used him. BB was all about Green bringing the offense and we all know it. Only, Green embraced the defensive side of hockey, YYZ got inside his head perhaps. Bruce saw Green focusing on D all year, yet was ignored when pushing Green to be the proverbial 4th forward last year.

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I wouldn't say "flourish" is the quite the right word. His pairing did well in that role but I don't think any would deny that Alzner nosed him out in defensive zone flourishmentation. Is it possible for one to flourish in a shutdown role, yet lead his D in turnovers?

What stands out was that Carlson racked up 37 points last year. If he was flourishing as a defensive dman while racking up close to 40 points, how did he fall off the surface of the ice so quickly? What's happened? Did he forget how to play defense?

He played the shutdown role because that is where bruce used him. BB was all about Green bringing the offense and we all know it. Only, Green embraced the defensive side of hockey, YYZ got inside his head perhaps. Bruce saw Green focusing on D all year, yet was ignored when pushing Green to be the proverbial 4th forward last year.
I must have missed that part. Do you have quotes from BB or someone else saying that Green blatantly disregarded the coaching staff?

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