Luke Schenn: 16:27
Drew Doughty: 24:50
PK Subban: 23:55
Alex Pietrangelo: 24:08
Zach Bogosian: 23:45
Wow. All of those player have played 6-7 minutes more than schenn yet schenn displace better stats then anyone of them.
Let me get this straight; your logic is telling you that the guys with MORE ice-time should have fewer giveaways?
Schenn having fewer giveaways playing 16mins than the guys playing 24-25 is what should be expected. There's nothing startling in these numbers. Only the fact Schenn has tamed down the giveaways.
Except most of those guys are in a 1A/B situation playing against the opponents' top players. And by 'better stats' I assume you mean less giveaways? But you're going to have less giveaways when you play less... Also when you're a defensive-defenseman who isn't trying to create offense.
If you can play more, you can have more takeaway, hits, blockshots and points. What's your point anyway?
Let me get this straight; your logic is telling you that the guys with MORE ice-time should have fewer giveaways?
Schenn having fewer giveaways playing 16mins than the guys playing 24-25 is what should be expected. There's nothing startling in these numbers. Only the fact Schenn has tamed down the giveaways.
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Originally Posted by SteveV
Yes, Schenn is CLEARLY better than all of them, that's why they play 6-7 minutes more a game. Sort of like how Brown is better than Kessel.
Look, I was just responding to the guy who wanted to see their average time.
And if schenn ice-time increasse wouldn't his points hit and block shot increase aswell.
he was in chicago scouting....i work at the toronto airport and if there was snow storm say in toronto but montreal was fine....a flight going from say halifax to toronto no stop would divert and land in montreal and wait until toronto gives clearance that it is safe to land
As can be seen, Doughty and Subban are heading up the giveway's category. To me, this isn't very surprising. Both are very creative, highly dynamic Dmen, lots of long strech passes and playmaking attempts.
Schenn's takeaways are tops. To me, this is an effect of being the most "defensive" of the group. He's spending the bulk of his shifts separating guys from the puck and trying to get it out of danger.
As can be seen, Doughty and Subban are heading up the giveway's category. To me, this isn't very surprising. Both are very creative, highly dynamic Dmen, lots of long strech passes and playmaking attempts.
Schenn's takeaways are tops. To me, this is an effect of being the most "defensive" of the group. He's spending the bulk of his shifts separating guys from the puck and trying to get it out of danger.
Just my $0.02
Fine with me. Just responding those that want schenn out.
If you can play more, you can have more takeaway, hits, blockshots and points. What's your point anyway?
You highlighted giveaways -- so you're emphasizing Schenn's giveaway-record. I'm simply pointing-out the flaw in what you're saying. My point then is that your point is invalidated by the statistics that you posted. That's unfortunate for you, isn't it?
You highlighted giveaways -- so you're emphasizing Schenn's giveaway-record. I'm simply pointing-out the flaw in what you're saying. My point then is that your point is invalidated by the statistics that you posted. That's unfortunate for you, isn't it?
I higlighted the giveaway to show an improvement of last year where is giveaway was at the top.
I higlighted the giveaway to show an improvement of last year where is giveaway was at the top.
Fair enough.
The problem is that regardless of stats, most of us have watched Schenn play -- he's simply not that good. The era of the slow-defenseman is over in the NHL; you need guys who are quicker, less one-dimensional. You need guys who can play D, not get burned by their footspeed and also put up some numbers.
[QUOTE=The Naz;42901409]I'm not opposed to trading Schenn myself. But I'm pretty confident that if he is sent to a better defensive coach, he will make all the whiney 15yo's that want him out now, whiny-er when he smothers Kessel into the boards and hurts him cleanly. He needs a particular coach to excel IMO. Wilson is not that coach. RW seems great at getting a lot from his offensive forwards. But not a great defensive system guy. Not a good playoff coach, my guess.
LOL. So true. Holzers only proven he deserves a chance. Not a spot.[/QUOTE]
This is just like that old saying what came 1st the chicken or the egg. A chance isn't coming up and playing 1 game, 2 games with limited minutes etc.... Kadri still hasn't gotten a chance. In order to get a chance you need a spot and commitment from management + the coaching staff for no less than at the very least 40 games playing in the position player X is meant to be. That's what a chance is so if you think Holzer deserves a chance a roster spot needs to be made for him just like how roster spots need to be made for Aullie, Kadri, Colborne and Frattin.
If your not willing to commit to a young guy and give him a chance you must trade them other wise your wasting the players time if theres no opportunity.
Not all the young guys will get a chance that's why most are trade assets to begin with so if the talk is the Leafs want Holzer in the NHL that automatically means 1 guy that holds a roster spot on D is on the way out.
example. last year Aullie was deserving of a chance so they moved Beauchemin to play Aullie. If Aullie wasn't deserving of a chance Beauchemin wouldn't have been traded. That's how the process of opportunity works and that's why up front it's either Kadri is being traded or MacArthur both wont be Leafs next year it's either 1 or the other cause Kadri deserves a chance.
As for the Wilson comment and Schenn . I don't know how many times it must be said that it's not the system it's the players. Wilson everywhere he's been has had top notch defensive teams. This team is flawed most of the defensive deficiencies this team has is due to it's small forwards not winning battles on the wall that leave the D core helpless and it's average goaltending that don't make saves when needed espescially on the PK. Mistakes are impossible to eliminate they happen during the course of a game to all teams that's why you have goalies so if you want to see better defensive game from the Leafs it's not system or Wilson that need changing. It's size up front and better goaltending.
Schenn needs to get off the bacon diet and improve his footspeed.
I really hope he works on acceleration and speed and puts some major focus on skating this coming off-season. He is really ****ing slow and it's holding him back. I don't even understand how he became so slow in comparison to last year, last year he was actually a decently mobile skater and it looked like he improved acceleration big time. This year, his skating looks like it did in 2009-2010 when he played like ass at the beginning and had tendinitis. I can't even count how many times he's been beaten in a one-on-one race. Last night was sad watching him getting beat out on the icing
I really hope he works on acceleration and speed and puts some major focus on skating this coming off-season. He is really ****ing slow and it's holding him back. I don't even understand how he became so slow in comparison to last year, last year he was actually a decently mobile skater and it looked like he improved acceleration big time. This year, his skating looks like it did in 2009-2010 when he played like ass at the beginning and had tendinitis. I can't even count how many times he's been beaten in a one-on-one race. Last night was sad watching him getting beat out on the icing
Didn't he gain a lot of pounds over the summer? I don't remember what he was before but he's 229 now at the age of 22. If he worked on focusing into a more mobile defenseman while keeping his physicality, he'd truly be quite a beast in the future.
I haven't given up on him yet, It takes time to become a good shut down defenseman.
. I don't know how many times it must be said that it's not the system it's the players. Wilson everywhere he's been has had top notch defensive teams. This team is flawed most of the defensive deficiencies this team has is due to it's small forwards not winning battles on the wall that leave the D core helpless and it's average goaltending that don't make saves when needed espescially on the PK. Mistakes are impossible to eliminate they happen during the course of a game to all teams that's why you have goalies so if you want to see better defensive game from the Leafs it's not system or Wilson that need changing. It's size up front and better goaltending.
