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02-03-2012, 09:46 AM
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'11/'12: Leafs Trade Rumors/Proposals: Trades a comin? You bet !!

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The thing about Carter's contract is that 5.2 million a year will be nothing in 10 years. The cap will be so much higher it won't matter.
Yup

05/06 - 39.6
06/07 - 44.0
07/08 - 50.3
08/09 - 56.7
09/10 - 56.8
10/11 - 59.4
11/12 - 64.3

62% increase over 7 seasons.

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That would be an easy deal to make if it could happen.

Leafs would be dealing no one who is important to the team today, so Burke would only be strengthening the team.

Isn`t Lombardi a dump here?



If Leafs could land:

Carter and JVR
for
Schenn, Kadri, Aulie and a 3rd.

I'd be in, understanding some cap adjustment is necessary, with that.

I suspect the Leafs would be losing a 1st. somehow in that deal, perhaps to move a contract for cap relief.
Ideally Leafs give up Komi or Connolly as the cap dump but Lombardi is probably the more likely and I think someone that still has some name recognition in smaller markets. Was signed as a free agent within that division a couple years back.

He is still a pretty good depth player and his speed would be noticeable on the ice so they could say see we got this guy for Carter.

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02-03-2012, 09:50 AM
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Yup

05/06 - 39.6
06/07 - 44.0
07/08 - 50.3
08/09 - 56.7
09/10 - 56.8
10/11 - 59.4
11/12 - 64.3

62% increase over 7 seasons.
That really means nothing going forward, and the CBA will most certainly clawback the player portion of revenues, that's a given.

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02-03-2012, 09:52 AM
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That would be an easy deal to make if it could happen.

Leafs would be dealing no one who is important to the team today, so Burke would only be strengthening the team.

Isn`t Lombardi a dump here?



If Leafs could land:

Carter and JVR
for
Schenn, Kadri, Aulie and a 3rd.

I'd be in, understanding some cap adjustment is necessary, with that.

I suspect the Leafs would be losing a 1st. somehow in that deal, perhaps to move a contract for cap relief.
I want them both too. And keep Schenn. Yes I'm greedy

To TOR: Carter
To CBJ: Connolly + Colborne + 1st + D Prospect (Holzer/Blacker)

Then

To TOR: JVR + B. Kessel + ?
To PHI: Kadri + Franson + Crabb

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Can people just stop with the carter ****. He's not coming to TO I promise you that

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I usually hate making "potential line-up" posts. But there are two rumoured targets that would probably not cost a ton. Those being Stoll and JVR (when I say not cost a ton... I mean relative to people talking about getting Getzlaf, Staal, Nash, etc). If there was a 1 for 1 swap of Connolly for Stoll and a 1 for 1 swap of Schenn for JVR, our lineup would be something like:

Lupul-Bozak-Kessel
JVR-Grabo-MacArthur
Kulemin-Stoll-Armstrong
Crabb-Steckel-Brown

Extras: Lombardi, Kadri, Rosehill, etc

Phaneuf-Gunnarrson
Liles-Franson
Gardiner-Komi
Aulie

-It would upgrade our toughness/size in top 9, upgrade our scoring depth, upgrade our PK, upgrade our checking/defensive line. Kulemin-Stoll-Armstrong would be a GREAT (albeit expenive) 3rd line. Physical, defensive, scoring ability.
-It would downgrade our toughness on defense, Stoll at centre has less offensive abilities than Connolly (but JVR would counter that, plus Stoll still puts up good #s for a 3rd line centre so its not like he's a 30 point guy, closer to 45)

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That really means nothing going forward, and the CBA will most certainly clawback the player portion of revenues, that's a given.
IMO, there is going to be some cap relief for teams, so I wouldn't be overly concerned with some of these retirement deals.

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Yup

05/06 - 39.6
06/07 - 44.0
07/08 - 50.3
08/09 - 56.7
09/10 - 56.8
10/11 - 59.4
11/12 - 64.3

62% increase over 7 seasons.
New CBA

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Ideally Leafs give up Komi or Connolly as the cap dump but Lombardi is probably the more likely and I think someone that still has some name recognition in smaller markets. Was signed as a free agent within that division a couple years back.

He is still a pretty good depth player and his speed would be noticeable on the ice so they could say see we got this guy for Carter.
It's still a big deal that Lombo's contract is NOT insured while Komi and/or Connolly's are though, no? Would Columbus want to take on that contract given the fact that if he is hurt they still pay him?

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Can people just stop with the carter ****. He's not coming to TO I promise you that
...its a trade proposal discussion thread

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I think insiders like Dreger and Mckenzie are tools for GMs and not a nuisance. Often they are mouthpieces for them disseminating messages to other GMs around the league.

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If you adjust for inflation at a CPI at of 120.2, that 39.6 million in 2005/2006 is only worth about 44 million today. Bringing a more modest, 11% "real" increase
What I'm getting at is it's going to increase, therefore long contracts such as Carter's won't be nearly as bad as people think in the later stages.

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'11/'12: Leafs Trade Rumors/Proposals: Trades a comin? You bet !!

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I want them both too. And keep Schenn. Yes I'm greedy

To TOR: Carter
To CBJ: Connolly + Colborne + 1st + D Prospect (Holzer/Blacker)

Then

To TOR: JVR + B. Kessel + ?
To PHI: Kadri + Franson + Crabb



over payment me thinks,,hell no jvr,ive never been impressed by him at all and b.kessel is just a throw in

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IMO, there is going to be some cap relief for teams, so I wouldn't be overly concerned with some of these retirement deals.
GM's are already talking about the cap going down next year, seem to be concerned, so I'll go with that sentiment for now.

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That would be an easy deal to make if it could happen.

Leafs would be dealing no one who is important to the team today, so Burke would only be strengthening the team.

Isn`t Lombardi a dump here?



If Leafs could land:

Carter and JVR
for
Schenn, Kadri, Aulie and a 3rd.

I'd be in, understanding some cap adjustment is necessary, with that.

I suspect the Leafs would be losing a 1st. somehow in that deal, perhaps to move a contract for cap relief.
That would be amazing to get both Carter and JVR and I would even change that 3rd (we don't have in this draft) to a 1st but we would also have to dump a contract to make this deal, perhaps Lombardi.

These players have lengthy contracts but Carters NTC is Full NTC (2012-13 through 2014-15); modified NTC (2015-16 through 2021-22), it's tolerable and may in the long run be a bargain.

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I wonder what the Rags are up to right now. They've got like almost 9mil in cap space now after their trade.

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GM's are already talking about the cap going down next year, seem to be concerned, so I'll go with that sentiment for now.
I could see cap going down, but I think the new CBA is going to provide some sort of out for teams.

Could even see some clawback on length with a formula to take into account front loaded deals.

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I wonder what the Rags are up to right now. They've got like almost 9mil in cap space now after their trade.
Nash or Ryan?

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Even rangers got rid of 1mill cap. What is burke waiting for(

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Wonder if Dustin Byfuglien would be available? A player I would be very interested in if I were the Leafs.

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Can we get this deal over with before Dreger completely ruins his reputation?

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Even rangers got rid of 1mill cap. What is burke waiting for(
Burke dumped more then that when he buried Dupuis and Orr.

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Can we get this deal over with before Dreger completely ruins his reputation?
Must make for some interesting conversations at the Nonis/Dreger family BBQs


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Wonder if Dustin Byfuglien would be available? A player I would be very interested in if I were the Leafs.

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I think insiders like Dreger and Mckenzie are tools for GMs and not a nuisance. Often they are mouthpieces for them disseminating messages to other GMs around the league.
Isn't that what phones are for? The notion of NHL GM's watching Dregger and Mackenzie intently, to assess value in the trade market and who's available is beyond ridiculous. If a GM wants to send a message to another GM, he will pick up the phone, or crazier yet, send an emai or text message or BBM.


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