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01-22-2012, 07:12 AM
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Shea Weber to Oilers

Does this sound right?

Edmonton:
Signed Shea Weber (long contract around 6,5 mil. and 6 years)

Nashville:
Edmonton's 1st (2012)
Edmonton's 1st (2013)
Shawn Horcoff

Horcoffs contract would propably end before Yakupov / Grigerenko / Murray signs with Preds. Oil gets captain.

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01-22-2012, 07:21 AM
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2 1st rounders and a cap dump isnt enough. IMO


Also, I think Nash wants players to help win now, not more prospects or picks...

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01-22-2012, 07:47 AM
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they could get four 1sts through an offer sheet
why take half of that and your worst contract?

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How exactly is Nashville supposed to provide Weber with an extension before July 1st?

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01-22-2012, 08:09 AM
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Draft picks and a cap dump?? For Shea Weber?!

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01-22-2012, 08:22 AM
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These aren't your average everyday 1st round draft picks.

That's probably Yakupov and MacKinnon we're talking about.

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No. 1, no one wants Horcoff. Not even for... wait, what? One of the best players in the league isn't going to be in a proposal with one of the league's worst contracts.

No. 2, you do realize the player can't be coerced into signing a contract, right? That's the only way this would make any sense whatsoever (except, of course, the part where Nashville takes Shawn Horcoff. That will never make any sense).

Put differently, it might not matter that it's cold, and it might not matter that Edmonton isn't very good, but when both are true at the same time, the chances of attracting the league's top talent are long indeed. Every team will be ready to offer Weber a truckload of cash. So why does he choose Edmonton? Once they are improved and contenders, the climate will not matter, but right now... it's going to take more building from within. It's going to take time.


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why would anything like this ever happen

are you planning on murdering Poile to make the deal and having a hostage standoff with Weber to get him to sign at a discount?

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These aren't your average everyday 1st round draft picks.

That's probably Yakupov and MacKinnon we're talking about.
You can't guarantee that. Even if you could, so what? Those guys are all potential, and could easily fail to live up to it.

You can't say that about Weber. He is a top 3 defenseman in the NHL; a statement that doesn't need to be qualified.

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Ok, i have been a bit naive with this proposal. Would it get any better if Oilers add Paajarvi...

Anyway Oilers need to get rid of that Horcs contract. It would be possible to move it with 1st round pick to a team who have lots of capspace and who lack megatalented offensive prospect, just like Preds.

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they could get four 1sts through an offer sheet
why take half of that and your worst contract?
At least one of those picks will be top 5 at best (likely bottom 3). A bottom 3 pick in a draft like this is worth 4 20-30 picks in itself.

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You can't guarantee that. Even if you could, so what? Those guys are all potential, and could easily fail to live up to it.

You can't say that about Weber. He is a top 3 defenseman in the NHL; a statement that doesn't need to be qualified.
Agreed.

The only way Nashville even considers an offer like this is if they are having trouble getting Weber to commit long term there. (not saying they will have trouble, just IF)

Even then, they'd be best served to shop his RFA rights around and see what other teams would offer. Maybe Nashville wouldn't want that type of return for him if they had to trade him, maybe they'd want an established d-man or two, plus, plus.

Still though, let's not pretend that two potential 1st overall picks is a garbage offer.

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Does this sound right?

Edmonton:
Signed Shea Weber (long contract around 6,5 mil. and 6 years)

Nashville:
Edmonton's 1st (2012)
Edmonton's 1st (2013)
Shawn Horcoff

Horcoffs contract would propably end before Yakupov / Grigerenko / Murray signs with Preds. Oil gets captain.
If he is signed why would they trade him? Seconldy, im sure they would get more than this from a number of teams if he was signed to that contract.

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Chris Pronger, at 35 years old and with 1 year left on his contract fetched 2 1st round picks, Luca Sbisa and Joffrey Lupul. Now take into account that Weber is entering the prime years of his career...

As some have mentionned earlier, Weber fetches 4 1st rounders on an offer sheet alone. Also, if Nashville manages to sign him, why in the world would they trade him???? Makes zero sense.

A team like Nashville can't afford to carry albatross contracts like Horcoff's one. In all, a very unappealing trade proposal for Nashville.

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01-22-2012, 09:23 AM
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To put Webers value into context, at 7-8 million dollars an offer sheet would fetch 3 or 4 number 1 picks as compensation.

1st in 2012
1st in 2013
MPS
Klefboom

The steep price is not worth it from an Oilers stand point in a rebuild perspective.

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A first overall pick that could be first overall may not be enough? And a second first rounder as well? He is good. But he is not that good

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Add Hall and Nashville maybe stops laughing

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01-22-2012, 09:30 AM
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Chris Pronger, at 35 years old and with 1 year left on his contract fetched 2 1st round picks, Luca Sbisa and Joffrey Lupul. Now take into account that Weber is entering the prime years of his career...

As some have mentionned earlier, Weber fetches 4 1st rounders on an offer sheet alone. Also, if Nashville manages to sign him, why in the world would they trade him???? Makes zero sense.

A team like Nashville can't afford to carry albatross contracts like Horcoff's one. In all, a very unappealing trade proposal for Nashville.
Yeah, he fetched two 1st rounders from a contending team (ended up being 21st and 29th), big difference.

Agree about the Horcoff part though, that part of the proposal is way off.

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Yeah, he fetched two 1st rounders from a contending team (ended up being 21st and 29th), big difference.

Agree about the Horcoff part though, that part of the proposal is way off.
This year the Oilers will draft top-5 and possibly top-3, however, Edmonton will progress at some point and the 2013 1st pick could also in the 10-15 range. Especially if they somehow manage to acquire Weber, zero chance this team is a basement dweller next year.

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weber turned down a 7x7 contract. Why would he take 6x6.5 to play in EDM?

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Does this sound right?

Edmonton:
Signed Shea Weber (long contract around 6,5 mil. and 6 years)

Nashville:
Edmonton's 1st (2012)
Edmonton's 1st (2013)
Shawn Horcoff

Horcoffs contract would propably end before Yakupov / Grigerenko / Murray signs with Preds. Oil gets captain.
A signed Weber, especially at that hometown discount, is worth WAY MORE than that.

Eberle + would be the start, nothing less.

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A signed Weber, especially at that hometown discount, is worth WAY MORE than that.

Eberle + would be the start, nothing less.
so Taylor Hall+ wouldn't be a good starting point? or RNH+?

if EDM is trading for Webber its one of those 3 as as a starting point.

Eddy wouldn't want to make this deal its not a good deal for them, if they end up with a top 10 pick they can get a nice dman out of the draft and combine it with their young core to have a very good team for a very long time.

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weber turned down a 7x7 contract. Why would he take 6x6.5 to play in EDM?
This.. he wants Nashville to show they want to win the Cup before he or Suter sign. Edmonton isn't close to the playoffs yet let alone winning a round.

Also, they could easily get 4 first round picks and no cap dump if all they wanted was picks.

At this point, it costs, Eberle+, Hall+ or RNH+ at the minimum to get Weber.

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they could get four 1sts through an offer sheet
why take half of that and your worst contract?
I agree not very well thought out.

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To put Webers value into context, at 7-8 million dollars an offer sheet would fetch 3 or 4 number 1 picks as compensation.

1st in 2012
1st in 2013
MPS
Klefboom

The steep price is not worth it from an Oilers stand point in a rebuild perspective.
It's so worth it. When you acquire the young players that the Oilers already have in their system, they can afford to skip the first round for 4 years to pick up a player like Weber. 10 years @ 8 million per cap it. Oilers have 26 million in cap space this off season. July 1st I hope they do it

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A signed Weber, especially at that hometown discount, is worth WAY MORE than that.

Eberle + would be the start, nothing less.
If Weber was taking a hometown discount he would have this year just to see if Nashville will make the moves to be a contender.

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This.. he wants Nashville to show they want to win the Cup before he or Suter sign. Edmonton isn't close to the playoffs yet let alone winning a round.

Also, they could easily get 4 first round picks and no cap dump if all they wanted was picks.

At this point, it costs, Eberle+, Hall+ or RNH+ at the minimum to get Weber.
Whats the difference if you inserted Yakupov+

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If Nash let's anyone walk it will be Suter. Like one poster said, they could get 4 1st through an offer sheet, which I doubt anyone will do unless it's BB. I don't see how you can try to build a complete team with 3 players taking up a 3rd of you salary cap.

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