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01-22-2012, 07:28 AM
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Helvetics to join KHL

According a Swiss Newspaper the creation of a new team is now official.

http://translate.google.com/translat...26prmd%3Dimvns

And the official site of the team: www.helveticshockey.ch

I still hope nobody is going to watch this team play.

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01-22-2012, 07:44 AM
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who is a owner? Do you have any official register of body corporation in Switzerland which in published online on net? Could you send direct link to this corporation/team?

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I think I have it http://be.powernet.ch/webservices/in...&lang=4&sort=0


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I still hope nobody is going to watch this team play.
Yeah, swiss hockey should just rather crawl into a corner and die. Oh wait, it is already in the process.

Now back to the topic, I don't think that khl should take teams from the established championships, because newly created teams like Riga or Minsk could be, and will be, stronger than those countries champions and much more successful fanbase-wise, there's nothing like when the whole country supports one team. Helvetics, aik, espoo, we can do without.

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I think the KHL should worry about the growth and development of hockey in Eastern Europe, before looking at Western expansion. Ukraine needs a team to get their development back on track and countries like Lithuania and former Yugoslovian countries could also support and field teams.

Why Switzerland and Italy?

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I think the KHL should worry about the growth and development of hockey in Eastern Europe
It is not KHL's problem. Why should we worry about Lithuania?

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Why Switzerland and Italy?
because they have money to support a team?

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I think the KHL should worry about the growth and development of hockey in Eastern Europe, before looking at Western expansion. Ukraine needs a team to get their development back on track and countries like Lithuania and former Yugoslovian countries could also support and field teams.
I like you are using this argument. I give you the same.. NHL should pay for europeans TEN milions of dollars per player because european clubs need money. Why do not NHL clubs do that?

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It would be really nice to see another team from Russia, outside of Moscow region. Like Sochi for example...

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I don't think that khl should take teams from the established championships, because newly created teams like Riga or Minsk could be, and will be, stronger than those countries champions and much more successful fanbase-wise, there's nothing like when the whole country supports one team. Helvetics, aik, espoo, we can do without.
Helvetics doesn't exist yet as a team. The owner failed to bring up his team up to the second highest divsion last spring so he let them die and even closed the ice stadium. Not sure if this will be accepted in Switzerland, where fanbases are really strong compared to Russia.

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I like you are using this argument. I give you the same.. NHL should pay for europeans TEN milions of dollars per player because european clubs need money. Why do not NHL clubs do that?
I'd be cool with Melnyk giving some money to the Slovak Extraliga, if he was so inclined.

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Not sure I like it. Not that I mind KHL expansion in general. Slovakia? The league is declining, so why not go there. (Although I'd prefer Slovan Bratislava and Košice in the KHL instead of HC Lev.) Italy? The league is pretty much insignificant, so why not go there. But Switzerland? The NLA is one of the few well-functioning and well-supported leagues in Europe and I'd hate to see an KHL franchise in Huttwil (or wherever) drawing away its best players or drawing away spectators from clubs like Langnau, Fribourg-Gottéron or Bern.

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I am surprised by these news. SIH (Swiss Ice hockey) gave already the view that if this would happen, the league wouldn't let it do and would claim monopoly on Swiss hockey.

I would be in favour of it although i do not see it practical ... as players would have to travel seriously.

And for Switzerland, it would actually be good to open the place for other leagues.

NHL still gives place to AHL, USHL etc ...
We could also imagine a championship with different layers.!

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as players would have to travel seriously.
not a big problem. Helvetics would travel once a year to Siberia. Or maybe league would approve another format. I remember that some NHL teams did not play each other a few years ago. Why not do it in KHL? I dont see any problem with it.

Now you have Dinamo Riga, HC LEV Poprad, Dinamo Minsk in Europe. Moscow is not so big problem to travel. One division can be created. Dont forget that Donetsk wants to join 2-3 years later - so another good locality for travelling.

I have such a crazy idea - do these people around Bosiger something to do with Leipzig project which seems to fail? You know, they did not succeed in Germany, so they relocated it to Suiss - or cooperate.

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because they have money to support a team?


I like you are using this argument. I give you the same.. NHL should pay for europeans TEN milions of dollars per player because european clubs need money. Why do not NHL clubs do that?
10 million dollars is very extreme for a transfer of, sometimes, very mediocre talent that fails on the North American ice. There are transfer agreements in place where European teams get money for the players that they produce. However, the KHL hasn't agreed to anything with the NHL, so they tend to get nothing for their players.

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10 million dollars is very extreme for a transfer of, sometimes, very mediocre talent that fails on the North American ice. There are transfer agreements in place where European teams get money for the players that they produce. However, the KHL hasn't agreed to anything with the NHL, so they tend to get nothing for their players.
ok, 10 million dollars could be extreme. Another is my point. You wrote
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You want KHL to support development of Ukraine. So I ask you why NHL has not support European development by sending one or so milions dollars per player? Europe needs it to be able to develop. The same story. Why should NHL care about Europe? Why should KHL care about Ukraine or Yugoslavia? I hope you see it.

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The NLA is one of the few well-functioning and well-supported leagues in Europe and I'd hate to see an KHL franchise in Huttwil (or wherever) drawing away its best players or drawing away spectators from clubs like Langnau, Fribourg-Gottéron or Bern.
I have no idea about the salaries in a KHL team, but i dont see a lot of players from the NLA joining Huttwil, for a lot of different reason. the salary (and maybe competition) would be the only advantage at all.

Infact, i have no idea if or how this whole idea will turn out. No one cares for the KHL around here (no offense, thats just the way it is). maybe we do a little if a swiss player actually plays in a team (like Gerber once did), otherwise, the finals and the team at the spengler cup might get some coverage. thats it.
i just dont see ppl freaking out about a league they have no clue about, with players they never heard of and teams located on somewhere like opposite the planet, just bc a guy who made quite a drama and closed down "his" team last year wants to make a splash.

things could be different if an established club from the NLA joins the KHL, but i dont see that happen.

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Switzerland is another country as Slovakia is and you have no player is KHL, Slovakia has cca 15(?)... but some example. A few ppl cared about KHL before HC LEV was created. Majority of ppl did not know teams, players. Now, after HC LEV Poprad joined league so many people know about league and care. The same media, all media write about KHL, before Lev there were only a few which cared. I can imagine the same situation in your country.

btw I like logo (if it is logo) What should this "man" mean? Any idea?

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Switzerland is another country as Slovakia is and you have no player is KHL, Slovakia has cca 15(?)... but some example. A few ppl cared about KHL before HC LEV was created. Majority of ppl did not know teams, players. Now, after HC LEV Poprad joined league so many people know about league and care. The same media, all media write about KHL, before Lev there were only a few which cared. I can imagine the same situation in your country.

btw I like logo (if it is logo) What should this "man" mean? Any idea?
i doubt, that many swiss will care about a team like helvetics.
the swiss hockey mentality is all about traditional hockey teams and dearbies. we often diss other fanclubs for have "no tradition" and have only fashionistas. swiss love to watch derbies and games with an old rivalry. the other games have a low attendance.

Logo: i guess this man should be an Helvetii

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ok, I see you. You could be right, I dont know. Ppl from Italy, Germany or France can visit games. I dont think that attendance would be low.

thx for info about Helvetti

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i doubt, that many swiss will care about a team like helvetics.
the swiss hockey mentality is all about traditional hockey teams and dearbies. we often diss other fanclubs for have "no tradition" and have only fashionistas. swiss love to watch derbies and games with an old rivalry. the other games have a low attendance.

Logo: i guess this man should be an Helvetii
I think, the first 2 years they could have an attendance problem, but after it they will have the needed "core" of fans, but just the future will tell.

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Is it possible that ppl from Italy, France, Germany would visit games in Huttwill?

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Is it possible that ppl from Italy, France, Germany would visit games in Huttwill?
yes, Alessandro, lol

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Put another team in Belarus pleaseeeee

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I like the idea. But I don't think they will ever have any success.

The team will be located in Huttwil. The whole village has a population of 4700 people. The next Highway is more than 25 km away from the "city". That's a huge distance in Switzerland (everything is close together). From Bern, you have a travel time of 1h (car). From Zurich you have 1h 15 min. The stadium there has a capacity of 1000.

They would better locate the team in a bigger city, who's located a bit more central (like Langenthal). Because I really don't think there will be a huge following for this team. It's just not comfortable to get there nor by train, car or whatever.

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We'll see

Actually I don't think it will be easy for the Helvetics to get off. But if they manage to get started, I'm pretty sure that a lot of interest for good KHL hockey will be there in Switzerland. Why go and watch mediocre games between Biel and Langnau (for instance..) if you can see Radulov, Kuznetsov, Tarasenko (ok. maybe not...) even Yashin?

In the end it will be a question of money: If Helvetics can afford to pay the best swiss players more than swiss clubs, they will, sooner or later, play for them, and if the best swiss players will all play for the Helvetics, all swiss hockey fans will go and support them.

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