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01-22-2012, 05:49 PM
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The role of doing nothing out of the ordinary for 25 minutes? I can think of several.
I'm sorry the correct answer was "no, we don't"

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01-22-2012, 05:50 PM
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The role of doing nothing out of the ordinary for 25 minutes? I can think of several.
Doing nothing out of the ordinary for 25 mins is a lot harder than it sounds. You give most defensemen 25 mins on a nightly basis and they would look much worse than Martin.

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01-22-2012, 05:51 PM
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That 25+ plus minutes is a fallacy whenever it's used to defend any player. It's the NHL, lots of guys can play 25 minutes if they're asked to. Nisky was playing 21 minus at some point with all the injuries.

The part about playing "shut down" for his entire 25 minutes is what made me choke on my water.
Watch him play defense. You do release the speed he gets the puck out of our own end and up to the forwards is so valuable, right? I know after Geno, Neal, or Sullivan (lol) makes a spectacular play, you forget about what happened 15 seconds earlier. Please, to every single person who knocks Martin, pay attention to these details. He is very special in those area's.

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to clarify, if we can make a hockey trade around Martin I'd be ok with it as long as we can then add someone like Gill. He will not be a part of a rental pick up. If he can bring in another James Neal that's a different situatoin

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Today's game only served to re-ignite my hatred for Ovechkin. What a piece of $h!t he is for that hit! I'd really like to see if Shanny-ban lays down the law on that one. I suppose we needed to see Michalek carried off the ice in order for that to happen though, right?

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01-22-2012, 05:52 PM
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Oh, come on. Don't go with the "I guess you should be coach then!" cop out. I don't necessarily agree with moving Martin any time soon (I'd personally look for takers after the season is through unless he really ups the ante) but he's been undeniably underwhelming for going on a full year, now... with only spurts of the play that should be expected from a guy like him.

Maybe he's just a bad fit? I dunno. But pretending that he's some irreplaceable cornerstone on this team seems kind of strong. Even if we're talking about the possibility of moving him this season. Yeah, there isn't anyone who can step in and replace his minutes right now... but that doesn't mean a suitable approximation (likely at a fraction of the cost) can't be found via trade. We supposedly have a super-genius for a GM, after all.

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Watch him play defense. You do release the speed he gets the puck out of our own end and up to the forwards is so valuable, right?
That would be great if he were actually doing that with some regularity, this season. Martin has shown this trait in the past... but his outlet passes have been pretty all over the board, this year. More often than not I see him get the puck and flop it weakly up the boards or try to make a ill-advised stretch pass up the wing.

I'm not trying to crap on the guy. I was actually a huge fan of the signing and very excited to see what he could do in a Pens uniform. I figured he even had some room to grow as a player. But he's just looked... not like a guy you use as a major building block of your defense.


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01-22-2012, 05:56 PM
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Malkin has seven game-winning goals this season. The franchise's single-season record is 12 by Jaromir Jagr in 1995-96.

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01-22-2012, 05:57 PM
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Malkin has seven game-winning goals this season. The franchise's single-season record is 12 by Jaromir Jagr in 1995-96.
nice. what a random stat though. Doesn't Goligoski hold the franchise record for defenseman? With something like 3.

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01-22-2012, 06:22 PM
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Dirty Ovechkin Hit on Michalek



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01-22-2012, 06:33 PM
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nice. what a random stat though. Doesn't Goligoski hold the franchise record for defenseman? With something like 3.
Gogo had 4 through the first 5-6 weeks of last season and didn't score another one until the deal, going off memory.

I remember not being able to change the stat in my GDTs from mid-November until the end of the season.

And, also going by memory, I believe he tied the single-season franchise record with that, I remember that being mentioned a few times last year. I think it was Coffey's record.

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01-22-2012, 06:38 PM
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For anyone else like me who bought the Talbot Shhhhhhh! tshirt a few years back and has been searching for something to replace it

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01-22-2012, 06:45 PM
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For anyone else like me who bought the Talbot Shhhhhhh! tshirt a few years back and has been searching for something to replace it

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01-22-2012, 06:46 PM
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GWG stat is wonky, imo. You can get a GWG by scoring the second goal in a 6-1 rout that counts just as much as scoring a GWG in OT.

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Ovi trolling it up according to Josh Yohe:

Ovechkin: "He (Malkin) knows without Crosby this team is good but not that good."

How would Ovi know?


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01-22-2012, 07:12 PM
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-Michalek`s hit. He deserves a suspension. He could have done some serois damage to the Caps guys brain.Ovechkin should be suspended too

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****ing crazy stat of the day: Crosby had 32 goals and 66 points in 41 games last season.

When talking about the level of play Geno is at, realizing it's STILL not up to Sid's pace last season blows my mind.

I hope he's healthy enough to play sometime soon.

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01-22-2012, 07:20 PM
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06-07 his pace was even better.And that blows my mind.

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01-22-2012, 07:34 PM
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Well you are wrong. There is no one in this system that is going to come up & play 25+ minutes of shut down defense & how/who are these "impact" wingers that are going to score so much that we are not going to miss the defense?
So according to you, Paul Martin's puck moving upside is so glamorous that it completely covers up his other MAJOR flaws, AND justifies him being worth $5 million?? Give me a break. I like the guy, but if you base his worth off his entire play this year (not just puck moving), it knocks him down to as much as Nisky is making. He brings nothing on the power play, and seemingly makes new defensive mistakes each game. Move the ridiculous cap hit, and get winger help. You're making it seem as if we need no upgrade there.

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****ing crazy stat of the day: Crosby had 32 goals and 66 points in 41 games last season.

When talking about the level of play Geno is at, realizing it's STILL not up to Sid's pace last season blows my mind.

I hope he's healthy enough to play sometime soon.
I would love to see what a healthy Sid, healthy/inspired Geno with both having capable linemates can do. If they both get around 20 mins of ice time a game, this team has a chance at things as remarkable as Jagr & Lemieux did in 95-96.

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01-22-2012, 07:44 PM
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So according to you, Paul Martin's puck moving upside is so glamorous that it completely covers up his other MAJOR flaws, AND justifies him being worth $5 million?? Give me a break. I like the guy, but if you base his worth off his entire play this year (not just puck moving), it knocks him down to as much as Nisky is making. He brings nothing on the power play, and seemingly makes new defensive mistakes each game. Move the ridiculous cap hit, and get winger help. You're making it seem as if we need no upgrade there.
we certainly don't need a downgrade. Unless we bring someone in with a trade, anyone we have in the system to replace him will be exactly that.

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01-22-2012, 08:02 PM
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****ing crazy stat of the day: Crosby had 32 goals and 66 points in 41 games last season.

When talking about the level of play Geno is at, realizing it's STILL not up to Sid's pace last season blows my mind.

I hope he's healthy enough to play sometime soon.
And that was without a legitimate first line sniper to play with either. Didn't he have 27 goals and 24 assists in his final 25 games leading up to the injury? It's both amazing and sad to think about at the same time. He should still be on the ice, putting up those numbers.

Malkin really is a beast right now, though.

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So according to you, Paul Martin's puck moving upside is so glamorous that it completely covers up his other MAJOR flaws, AND justifies him being worth $5 million?? Give me a break. I like the guy, but if you base his worth off his entire play this year (not just puck moving), it knocks him down to as much as Nisky is making. He brings nothing on the power play, and seemingly makes new defensive mistakes each game. Move the ridiculous cap hit, and get winger help. You're making it seem as if we need no upgrade there.
His puck moving skills are just one of his assets. The guy goes against the other teams best players & shuts them down more often than not. His positioning, puck blocking, stick work are top notch. If you sat & counted how many times the puck ended up in the meshing behind of Fleury because of Paul Martin you might re-think your position. Instead you, like a lot of people are only seeing in terms of points & hits.

As for wingers yeah it would be nice to have another one with top 6 potential but they aren't out there. You are not going to get a good one at least. You might get some one dimensional PP specialist that will be in Bylsma's dog house in two seconds.

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- refs: The non call on OV for elbowing Michalek changed the game drastically. It was an obvious penalty and they let it go. The next shift, Michalek wanted revenge and got a 2 minutes penalty and the Caps were back in the game. ****in refs, call the game like it should be. It will avoid players to take justice into their own hands.

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These games against Washington are very odd. I'm glad we won, don't get me wrong, but i feel like anytime the Pens have played this team this year they should have blown them out. They manage the puck, limit Washington's chances, do all the right things, yet a few alway slip through and always end up being goals for the Caps. Meanwhile our team has to throw - what seems like - endless amounts of offense at them to score. They've doubled the Caps in shots 2 games this year. Led them in shots by 10 and 7 in the other two. There is a significant gap in the skill of these two teams - regardless of injuries - but its not reflected on the scoreboard. For some reason i really don't want to see the Caps in the playoffs without Sid this year. Not getting a good feeling about it. Just a bad matchup for the way DB has them playing i think.

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****ing crazy stat of the day: Crosby had 32 goals and 66 points in 41 games last season.

When talking about the level of play Geno is at, realizing it's STILL not up to Sid's pace last season blows my mind.

I hope he's healthy enough to play sometime soon.
I think Crosby was 18 or 20 points ahead of 2nd place guy in the scoring race too. His ES points were SO FAR AHEAD then anyone else aswell.

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