The TSN panel seems to think the Kings are part of a "limited market" for Carter. Interesting.
The video is on tsn.ca, All-Star Media Day: Insider Trading - Pt. 1
I've got to imagine most of the smaller market teams would not be interested because of Carter's disappointment in moving from a big market to a much smaller one. The fact that L.A. has so much to offer and that his BFF plays here makes me think Carter would be ecstatic to be here.
Watched the video... no word on Carter. You sure that was the right one?
Thanks in advance.
I'm sure.. I double checked before I posted but it looks like they changed the segment. The first time they put the clip up they were doing the show among other press people and allstar players, now it seems like they're alone in a studio, so I guess they re-did it for whatever reason.
I'm sure.. I double checked before I posted but it looks like they changed the segment. The first time they put the clip up they were doing the show among other press people and allstar players, now it seems like they're alone in a studio, so I guess they re-did it for whatever reason.
It was there I saw it. There were three videos all dealing with trades.
They pretty much said what everyone knows, "The Kings are interested in Carter if the asking price is right".
Sadly, Mason's career is looking more and more like he's going to wind up being the next Andrew Raycroft, Brian Boucher, or Patrick Lalime: all goalies who started off with promising careers but quickly faded to become average backup goalies.
Mason has another year remaining on his contract that carries a cap hit of $2.9M. In terms of actual salary, he is owed $3.2M next season. He's going to be bought out.
Lalime was Sens starter for 4 years including an Allstar game ,, Dont think he fits into that category
Lalime was Sens starter for 4 years including an Allstar game ,, Dont think he fits into that category
He did enjoy some bit of success, but after leaving Ottawa after five seasons there as their starter, Lalime became a backup goalie for the rest of his career.
I guess Jocelyn Thibault and Marc Denis are two other samples of goalies who had some hype entering the league, showed spurts of brilliance, then sputtered away till the tail end of their careers. Columbus already experienced this having gone through Denis and Pascal Leclaire.
Paddock was likely waived because he was useless in Manchester (he was signed to stable provide veteran scoring there) and he probably has a better offer in Europe somewhere. Hammond even hinted he might be on his back to Germany. Him being waived had nothing to do with a trade unless the trade is for multiple players or prospects that will be playing in the AHL neither of which I can see happening.
1- you don't trade a ufa right after you sign him unless he pulls a Steve Duchene.
2- Wiz is WAY overpaid. It is going to be a lot easier to find someone to take Carters contract on that Wiz's
10 years on Carter though... Wow! And with a labor stoppage looming. We'll see. I don't have any belief Parise wants to be here. I also don't like the Kings track record with deadline deals. Sorry to be a pessimist, but our track record isn't good.
The last deadline deal the Kings made that I'd say worked out well for them was when they acquired Kelly Buchberger and Nelson Emerson from Atlanta for Donald Audette and Frantisek Kaberle. What's interesting is that I was attending a Kings game at Staples Center that night and David Courtney announced the trade after the conclusion of the pre-game warmups.
10 years on Carter though... Wow! And with a labor stoppage looming. We'll see. I don't have any belief Parise wants to be here. I also don't like the Kings track record with deadline deals. Sorry to be a pessimist, but our track record isn't good.
Not AIMED at you even though I am using your quote.
I keep hearing 10 years of Carter..... How do we know hes gonna play 10 more years? Lets say he stops being productive at 33 you can easily buy out his last 3 years or he might retire.
You think if they go hard after Parise and he does sign hes going to sign for less then 7 years? 8 years? 7 million cap hit? More then 7 million? And that's IF and a huge one at that if the Kings can pull Parise out of there hat.
Carter 491 Games - 191 Goals - 360 Points - 5.2 - 10 years
Parise 468 Games - 178 Goals - 381 Points - 6.5-7.5 - 7-8-9 years?
Its awfully close. Even though I want Parise way more then Carter I rather take Carter now then wait and risk not even getting a shot at Parise and then Carter goes somewhere else. Unfortunately this isn't going to be like the Brad Richards and Simon Gagne situation where we struck out on Richards and signed Plan B the next day. Carter isn't going to sit still most likely.
Is Jeff Carter really having that bad of a year? 30 Games 10 Goals.
Mike Richards 42 Games 14 Goals. I am not even sure that he is even much of a locker room cancer. Ive heard just as much flack about Richards and I haven't seen any or heard any locker room cancer stuff since hes been in LA.
If I had to guess the future... Carter is a King. And then when Parise signs his contract there are going to be a lot of guys out there that are going to say OH WOW.
He did enjoy some bit of success, but after leaving Ottawa after five seasons there as their starter, Lalime became a backup goalie for the rest of his career.
I guess Jocelyn Thibault and Marc Denis are two other samples of goalies who had some hype entering the league, showed spurts of brilliance, then sputtered away till the tail end of their careers. Columbus already experienced this having gone through Denis and Pascal Leclaire.
I must say, the whole Jeff Carter fiasco about him partying and what not is a turn off, but man, the thought of Jeff Carter as a King...wow. He is as true of a sniper as they come. Great fit.
Looking at next years cap, if the Kings add Carter and say they re-sign Mitchell at $3M and Fraser at $700K, and presuming that Bernier is moved in a trade, it leaves the Kings with approximately $2.6M in cap space if the salary cap remains as it is.
Quick's deal expires at the same time that Simon Gagne and Rob Scuderi become UFAs. The Kings could also gain cap relief if they place Gagne on LTIR if he's still suffering from his concussion.
Who replaces Bernier and for how much? And I doubt Mitchell only gets $3 million in UFA. Assuming Mitchell resigns for his current price and the backup to Quick costs $800,000, that reduces our cap space to $1.3 million under your scenario.
Also it's nice that Scuds and gagne come off the books when Quick's extension begin, but we still have to replace those guys, and we will have Voynov's new contract to discuss as well.
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You do what every team with a big budget does. You find ways to make it work just like Philadelpha and NYR do. If you trade for Carter, you're probably sending salary the other way. If you land another big winger on top of Carter, Gagne probably becomes expendable (if he even comes back.)
So here's a hypothetical scenario, and I don't wanna hear "it's not realistic". It's just an exercise to demonstrate that we can fit another big salary on the roster even if we land Carter.
Trade: Johnson+/- for Carter
Resign: Fraser (1m), Mitchell (3.5M/1 Year)
Sign: Parise (7.5M)
*One of King/Nolan/Cliche makes the team out of camp.
There's lots of other scenarios too that would allow us to take on another big contract even with out moving a core piece like Johnson.
But it's not even about this. My larger point is that if the Kings land Carter they should still be pursuing another top line forward, because Carter alone isn't enough. Just like they went after B. Richards, even though they had already landed M. Richards.
The Rangers made room by sending a $6.5 million anchor in redden to the farm, not likley to be an option to any team outside of the rangers. Philly meanwhile amde room by trading Richards and Carter for picks and youth.
And saying Gagne's available is one thing, finding someone to take him is another. It could be a problem.
You present an overall interesting concept for a line up, but it runs the risk of leaving us in cap trouble once Quick's extension kicks in (assuming he gets one of course). Even if Scuds and Gagne come off the books, you have to replace them and we can't just assume we will replace them from within, especially Gagne. I think as well that having that many players locked in long-term to contracts (which Carter and a guy like Parise would demand or alredy have) is a recipe for disaster and likely would prevent your line up from becoming a reality.
I also think you are asking Voynov to do to much, and leaving us open to big issues if we trade Johnson and then voynov fails to progress. With Scuds and Mitchell llikely moving on, that'd leave us with Doughty and then some depth pieces in Greene and Martinez.
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Mind you CBJ fans thought Filatov was worth more then a 3rd rounder they got for him from Ottawa.
Carter has a 10year contract and a NTC which means that Carter can nix a deal if the destination isn't for his liking. His current pace of 40pts is not exactly impressive either and ain't adding on trade value.
The difference between Johnson and Carter is not a 1st round draft choice, more like a Zatkoff/King/3rd rounder.
Not disputing that. Simply arguing that Capn Brown's trade proposal wouldn't work.
