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01-30-2012, 01:47 PM
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Mitchell is such a good player and doesn't seem to be slowing down, he can play against the best players in the world every night and has a bit of an edge and grit.

Hell, I'd even be willing to give him a raise.

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01-30-2012, 01:48 PM
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Mitchell is going to sing somewhere he has a better chance at a cup. Brad Stuart come on down!
This seems very realistic. I love Willie but Stuart isn't chopped liver and would do well here. I am not worried about our D though.

I would like to get Ruutu and extend him. He brings it and has som offence. Is very versitile as well.

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01-30-2012, 01:54 PM
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If we lose Mitchell, I am thinking:

Johnson-Doughty
Scuderi-Voynov
Martinez-Greene
If we lose Mitchell I think Hickey gets his shot. After all Hickey isn't a offensive first defensemen by any means. He's a solid two-way D-man. And maybe that will fly with Sutter instead of having 3 shut down 3 puck mover.

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01-30-2012, 02:07 PM
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Yes and so would the Kings....What would be your line-up?

Doughty-Hickey/Martinez, Scuderi-Johnson, Greene-Voynov? How damn soft does that D look?

Even Detroit has a tougher top 6 D....If Greene isn't on the ice no one is really throwing the body or clearing the net.

The Kings love having one stay at home player and one puck mover. Substituting Mitchell with a puck mover like Martinez or Hickey doesn't keep in track with how Lombardi has handled it since he become GM.

This is why there is speculation of trading a puck mover for a forward because he can easily replaced but we have no Willie Mitchell or Matt Greene in the system.
If you don't think Doughty or Johnson have a mean streak or are tough, I don't know what to tell you, yes they can move the puck, but they can throw the body as well, they are learning how to do both.

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01-30-2012, 02:07 PM
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If we lose Mitchell I think Hickey gets his shot. After all Hickey isn't a offensive first defensemen by any means. He's a solid two-way D-man. And maybe that will fly with Sutter instead of having 3 shut down 3 puck mover.
He'll definitely be there nipping at the heels of Martinez. It certainly seems like if he isn't dealt this season, his shot would be due. Lombardi has been hanging onto him fiercely and he does seem to be ready to test the waters. Still, all those players are established, so he has to beat out someone for the job much like Voynov did. Will have to see next training camp...

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01-30-2012, 02:08 PM
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So... wonder what's better these days. Tim Gleason for 4M a year or JJ for 4 + Change Million a year?
I still take JMFJ.

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If we lose Mitchell I think Hickey gets his shot. After all Hickey isn't a offensive first defensemen by any means. He's a solid two-way D-man. And maybe that will fly with Sutter instead of having 3 shut down 3 puck mover.
That 3 OD/3 DD style is Murray's, not Sutter's. I doubt he's limited to that style. I think he'd like a more physical overall defense, but other than that he doesn't mind opening up the options. He had Phaneuf, Leopold, Ference, Hamrlik, Regehr and Warrener as his D the last year he coached in Calgary and the top four are more puckmovers than shutdown D-types. But they are all physical to a degree as well. Heck his seventh D was Bryan Marchment.

If we get a D in UFA (assuming DL and Sutter are both still here) I could see someone like Bryan Allen, Barrett Jackman, Cory Sarich, Hal Gill, Johnny Boychuk, Niklas Grossman, Scott Hannan, etc. Someone who can pound the body and has good size.

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It would be interesting to hear Lombardi's take on Hickey's development

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01-30-2012, 02:13 PM
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I'm sorry but I don't like it. That first pair does not have a stabilizing shut down guy and are not that physical. Mitchell has been really aggressive this year. Before him it was O'Donnell. Kings will pursue someone similar if Willie doesn't return.

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01-30-2012, 02:14 PM
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Yes and so would the Kings....What would be your line-up?

Doughty-Hickey/Martinez, Scuderi-Johnson, Greene-Voynov? How damn soft does that D look?

Even Detroit has a tougher top 6 D....If Greene isn't on the ice no one is really throwing the body or clearing the net.

The Kings love having one stay at home player and one puck mover. Substituting Mitchell with a puck mover like Martinez or Hickey doesn't keep in track with how Lombardi has handled it since he become GM.

This is why there is speculation of trading a puck mover for a forward because he can easily replaced but we have no Willie Mitchell or Matt Greene in the system.

I 100% agree. The kings have a surplus of puck moving defensemen and not enough of the Mitchell types. I like Martinez a lot, however I think with Doughty, JJ and Voynov as the offensive puckmovers the Kings need to keep one of Martinez or Hickey in case of injuries and move the other as part of a package to acquire a scoring winger.

The Kings need to resign Willie, or acquire another stay at home, big bodied defensemen via FA if they do lose Willie.

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01-30-2012, 02:20 PM
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I'm sorry but I don't like it. That first pair does not have a stabilizing shut down guy and are not that physical. Mitchell has been really aggressive this year. Before him it was O'Donnell. Kings will pursue someone similar if Willie doesn't return.
Depends on what we are doing with our offense. I agree with you if we stick to our previous philosophies, but they have given us some pretty sluggish offenses with good defense. If Dean decides to get a couple of new forwards, then we may have to make due with what we got. Sooner or later Doughty and Johnson are going to be paired in hopes for a long term match.

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01-30-2012, 02:23 PM
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I'm sorry but I don't like it. That first pair does not have a stabilizing shut down guy and are not that physical. Mitchell has been really aggressive this year. Before him it was O'Donnell. Kings will pursue someone similar if Willie doesn't return.
Johnson and Doughty are plenty physical. And will become more defensively responsible (at least Doughty...) the longer they play.

I wouldn't be opposed to

Doughty - Johnson
Voynov - Scuderi
Hickey - Greene


As much as I like A-mart, I think Hickey brings a much more well rounded game to the table. And he is coming off a great season in Manchester, his confidence will be high, which has been a major contributing factor for him. Confidence.

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01-30-2012, 02:30 PM
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If you don't think Doughty or Johnson have a mean streak or are tough, I don't know what to tell you, yes they can move the puck, but they can throw the body as well, they are learning how to do both.
I agree to an extent. Johnson has shown it's there at times, but Doughty I still have my doubts about his ability to clear the front of the net the way Greene and Mitchell can. Yes doughty can prodce some killer hip checks, but against players his own size or smaller. He tried to throw a big check last game against a bigger player and ended up being the one sent flying.

If the Kings are going to have a defense first mentality then IMO a few big defensive defensemen is a must.

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01-30-2012, 02:37 PM
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I think we'll see one of Drewiske, Martinez or Hickey dealt at the deadline for help. Mitchell walks in the offseason and the Kings sign Stuart as his replacement.

Doughty-Scuderi
Stuart-Voynov
Johnson-Greene
Hickey/Martinez/Drewiske

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01-30-2012, 02:42 PM
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I really hope we can hang on to Mitchell. Stuart isn't a bad player at all, but Willie's attitude, style, and leadership fit in so perfectly. It would be a shame to lose what we know is a perfect situation (for the Kings at least). Obviously, if he wants to go back to Vancouver, there isn't much that can be done to stop it.

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01-30-2012, 02:51 PM
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I'm sorry but I don't like it. That first pair does not have a stabilizing shut down guy and are not that physical. Mitchell has been really aggressive this year. Before him it was O'Donnell. Kings will pursue someone similar if Willie doesn't return.
I agree.

Matt Greene is tough, but mean. We need a ******* back there.

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01-30-2012, 02:55 PM
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Apparently, Jeff Carter is traveling with Columbus to California but it is unclear if he will be playing on this trip.

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I agree to an extent. Johnson has shown it's there at times, but Doughty I still have my doubts about his ability to clear the front of the net the way Greene and Mitchell can. Yes doughty can prodce some killer hip checks, but against players his own size or smaller. He tried to throw a big check last game against a bigger player and ended up being the one sent flying.
You don't need to throw big hits to be effective in a shutdown role. You never see Lidstrom hammering people and he seems to do OK in his own end.

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Apparently, Jeff Carter is traveling with Columbus to California but it is unclear if he will be playing on this trip.
They are bringing him here to drop him off clearly

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What do you think about trading for Mason Raymond? Offer something around Martinez? Though, I doubt these two teams will trade with eachother.

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They are bringing him here to drop him off clearly
I wish!

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What do you think about trading for Mason Raymond? Offer something around Martinez? Though, I doubt these two teams will trade with eachother.
That's a decent one i'd say. Lots of talk that Raymond is going to be on the move before the deadline and Vancouver wants either an equal caliber defensemen or a bottom 6 wing.


But I honestly think you might see a Raymond for Moen + a pick trade before you see him go for a dman.

Makes sense for both teams.

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Stay at home D men:
Scuderi
Greene
Drewiske

AHL:
Campbell

College:
Forbert

Puck movers:
Doughty
Johnson
Martinez
Voynov

AHL:
Hickey
Deslauries
Mullen
Muzzin

College:
Gravel

Kings have way more in one category.

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Stay at home D men:
Scuderi
Greene
Drewiske

AHL:
Campbell

College:
Forbert

Puck movers:
Doughty
Johnson
Martinez
Voynov

AHL:
Hickey
Deslauries
Mullen
Muzzin

College:
Gravel

Kings have way more in one category.

Gravel is NOT a puck mover at all. He's a shut down man all the way. Muzzin I would say is a tweener, he could be used in both situations, a good two way defensemen, as is Mullen...think of a guy like Phaneuf...defensively capable and can chip in offensively

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Gravel is a stay-at-home defenseman, but you are right.

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Is it bad I think Gravel is going to be better than Forbert? No real basis, just a hunch.

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