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01-22-2012, 10:33 PM
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I don't see the Flyers trading either player. I could see them trade JVR before either of those two.

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01-22-2012, 10:41 PM
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I don't see the Flyers trading either player. I could see them trade JVR before either of those two.
I agree. Couturier pretty much won over the organization right away. Schenn has really come into his own the past week and has shown bits and pieces of why he was thought of so highly. Now that he is finally healthy I imagine his game to step up even more.

But really the flyers dont need to trade jvr, schenn or Couturier. Its just the way it is. None of these guys will be cap casualties.

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01-22-2012, 11:50 PM
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I find the concept of having to add Regehr and a pick and more to Roy to get either Couturier and Schenn rather funny. Obviously the two young players have substantial upside, are under team control for a long time, and Couturier is on a cheap contract (Schenn's cap hit is over $3M with bonuses). But when was the last time you saw a team add to the current star to get a young player? Trades happen the other way around. Derek Roy has proven a lot more at the NHL level than either of those players and is signed to a very reasonable contract himself.

Additionally, does anyone really see Holmgren not targetting at least one substantial ($4M+) free agent over the next few seasons? Especially with the Timonen, Hartnell, and Briere contracts drawing closer to an end and Pronger's uncertainty? I wouldn't count on all that cap space becoming available, especially with an aggressive GM like Holmgren. He's never seemed to be very concerned with future cap management in the past, and he's already dealt himself into multiple situations where he's had to deal players away to make his team cap compliant.

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It's a very logical proposition and really does fill a need for both teams while dealing from a position of strngth. However, if I were the GM of the flyers I would not do this deal. Not because I wouldn't want of need Luke but just because I like the upside of Brayden more and I really really like the idea of having Giroux, B Schenn and Couturier as our three centers for the next decade.
Did you like the idea of Richards, Carter, and Giroux as your three centers for the next decade as well?


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01-23-2012, 12:20 AM
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I agree with you but honestly, I just can't see us getting a dman with the upside of either of them in a trade. Schenn and Couturier should both develop into very good #2 centers with the potential to be a low end 1st line center. The kind of dmen that I'd want in return (a potential top 2 dman, not a 2nd pairing #3/#4 guy) just isn't going to be traded for one of them. We can't get someone like OEL, Pietriangelo (sp????), Bogosian or Fowler for him so IMO it's just better to keep both and work on our defense through the draft, lesser trades, and UFA sigings.
How about if the Coyotes offer Brandon Gormley?

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01-23-2012, 01:24 AM
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How about if the Coyotes offer Brandon Gormley?

Interesting, but I doubt the Flyers do it. Schenn and Couturier are proving themselves at the NHL level right now and doing a pretty damned good job of it too. Gormley MAY turn out to be a fine top pairing guy but there are still some question marks surrounding him. If everyone is so sure he's going to be a top pairing guy then they shouldn't be concerned about trading OEL whom I'm sure the flyers would be much more interested in (and again, I can't see the Yotes trading him for either of Schenn or Couturier).


I think a more realistic trade would be something like Matt Read for Gormley.

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01-23-2012, 01:36 AM
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neither will be traded IMO

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01-23-2012, 09:56 AM
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Additionally, does anyone really see Holmgren not targetting at least one substantial ($4M+) free agent over the next few seasons? Especially with the Timonen, Hartnell, and Briere contracts drawing closer to an end and Pronger's uncertainty? I wouldn't count on all that cap space becoming available, especially with an aggressive GM like Holmgren. He's never seemed to be very concerned with future cap management in the past, and he's already dealt himself into multiple situations where he's had to deal players away to make his team cap compliant.

Did you like the idea of Richards, Carter, and Giroux as your three centers for the next decade as well?
I think, if he becomes available, the Flyers will probably make a run at Ryan Suter to replace Kimmo Timonen. Other then that, they really don't have many other holes to fill with high priced FAs. Maybe a winger to replace Jagr and/or Hartnell, but that's about it and they have enough depth at the wing where they wouldn't HAVE TO spend money on a top line guy.

It's not out of the realm of possibilty that the Flyers would trade either Schenn or Couturier, but it won't be for a few years when the Flyers actually know 100% what they have with these guys.

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01-23-2012, 10:31 AM
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Hemsky and Gilbert a mid level prospect relevant to team needs for cap dump and Brayden Schenn
The only real cap dump would be Bryzgalov and I can't see him waiving his NMC. I really have a hard time moving either Schenn or Couturier, with the way the flyers are set up cap wise they're almost depending on these two (along with read) providing cheap production while Briere declines toward the end of his contract.

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01-23-2012, 12:29 PM
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Not a chance either are moving unless they are traded for a signed Suter or Weber, and even then i would be weary of doing it.

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01-23-2012, 12:52 PM
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I think the only thing either gets traded for will be a top end D talent playing in the NHL. Think fowler petrangelo karlson type upside. Reason being all 3 of giroux shenn and coots have top line upside. So you move one for a future #1 dman.

If giroux maintains this level of play for a couple years your looking @ 6-8 million. the other two could demand 3-6 depending on how they progess. thats alot tied up in centers.

i think if suter is going to be a rental the cost will be less than one of these guys. Call it a hunch.

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01-23-2012, 12:57 PM
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Giroux
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Coutourier

down the middle would be unreal

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01-23-2012, 12:58 PM
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I agree. Couturier pretty much won over the organization right away. Schenn has really come into his own the past week and has shown bits and pieces of why he was thought of so highly. Now that he is finally healthy I imagine his game to step up even more.

But really the flyers dont need to trade jvr, schenn or Couturier. Its just the way it is. None of these guys will be cap casualties.
With Pronger hurt they could use a top defenseman. Pronger's absense means everyone needs to move up and play minutes they aren't suited for.

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I think the only thing either gets traded for will be a top end D talent playing in the NHL. Think fowler petrangelo karlson type upside. Reason being all 3 of giroux shenn and coots have top line upside. So you move one for a future #1 dman.

If giroux maintains this level of play for a couple years your looking @ 6-8 million. the other two could demand 3-6 depending on how they progess. thats alot tied up in centers.

i think if suter is going to be a rental the cost will be less than one of these guys. Call it a hunch.
Karlson is more than 'upside' -- he's at the top of the league leaders in scoring.

Fowler is a better comparable.

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01-23-2012, 01:05 PM
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Giroux
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down the middle WILL be unreal
Fixed that for ya.

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01-23-2012, 03:41 PM
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to philly
smyth
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No intrest in moving either of them for philly. BOTH have huge upside. Schenn was moved for Richards with a 10 yr contract; so the flyers are not going to move Schenn for atleast 3-4 yrs to fully evaluate if he is on the right track to live up to his potential. Couturier should not and is not going anywhere.

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01-24-2012, 09:22 AM
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What in the hell is this?

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01-24-2012, 09:24 AM
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No thanks. Flyers need quality rather than quantity because of their contract situation.

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I would trade schenn before couturier, to be honest.

And even then, I would only do it in a package for a signed legit top pairing defenseman (suter or weber) or a young defenseman with an equally as great ceiling. (a guy like cam fowler, just an example, doubt the ducks Would have any interest in moving him).

But Brayden schenn and Sean couturier are both going to be star players in this league. I think the flyers would be MORE than content keeping all 3 for the long haul, so you can argue value all you want, but the fact is, neither one of them is going to be moved unless the flyers are getting significantly and obviously better by the trade.

They just have no motive to do otherwise.

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to philly
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peckham

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to philly
RNH

to edm
talbot
marshall
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RNH

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Well played sir... Well played.

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Schenn = RNH?

Yikes.

(EDIT: the original offer of Plante, Peckham, and Smyth isn't close to enough either--but it is significantly stronger than this).

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I wouldn't do it for Gunnerson + 1st seeing how your 1st isn't going to be very high any more (ie - the Leafs don't suck any more like when the Bruins traded for your 1sts).
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It's a very logical proposition and really does fill a need for both teams while dealing from a position of strngth. However, if I were the GM of the flyers I would not do this deal. Not because I wouldn't want of need Luke but just because I like the upside of Brayden more and I really really like the idea of having Giroux, B Schenn and Couturier as our three centers for the next decade.
I guess its all about the name cause Gunnar is twice the Dman as Schenn at half the cost. I know Schenn has upside but Gunnar is also getting better and better. Watch a Leafs game.

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