2009-2010: Fall for Hall
2010-2011: Cryin for Ryan
2011-2012: Fail for Nail/Fail for Mikhail/Lose in a hurry for Murray
2012-2013: Stop winnin for MacKinnon
2013-2014: Stayin bad for Ekblad
I respect the majority of the posters on this board because like myself we have a passion for the Oilers and all want to see them do well. The past while we have sucked and then in the offseason we make line combinations and our dream acquisitions and who we want selected in the draft. It seems that the offseason is our playoffs. We are in a rebuild and I understand that it's going to be a few years before we get good but it seems like there is no improvement with this club. I absolutely love RNH, Eberle and Hall don't get me wrong. But three years in a row we could have less then 65 points and it seems that management is defending Tambellini by giving him an extension. He gets an extension for finishing last 3 years in a row? I'm sorry but rebuild or not you would get fired in any other market. I am concerned where this franchise is headed. Picking last 4-5 years in a row is embarassing and with Tambellini at helm with his new extension, I find it hard to see how we will crawl out of this funk.
I will always love the Oilers but when will enough be enough and management realize that we need a change from our philosophy. I don't want it to be 2015-2016 and we still have a catch phrase for the #1 draft pick. I guess I am just beyond frustrated and need to vent. I can't understand how people can still be on board with the rebuild when it is not being done right at all IMO (certainly under this terrible management). Where is the passion of Oilers hockey?
I think my ideal draft would look something like this:
Trade Hemsky at the deadline for Blum and a 1st. Hope the 1st turns into ~16-19.
Trade the 1st, 61st, and LA's 3rd (~78th) for the 3rd and ~9th (some team will have to do some 1999-draft-esque finagling).
Hold the 3rd, 9th, 16th, and 31st picks.
Draft Ryan Murray (or Dumba) at 3, Griffin Reinhart (or Trouba, Rielly, Ceci) at 9, Radek Faksa (or Gaunce, Girgensons) at 16, Malcolm Subban (or Vasilevsky) at 31.
We then have Whitney, Gilbert, Smid, Petry, Peckham, Teubert, Blum, Murray, Reinhart, Klefbom, Marincin, Gernat, Musil, Davidson, Blain, and Bigos. I'm sure we could find a few first pairing players and a few second pairing players in there somewhere.
We turn a weakness (defense) into a strength and pick up a #2C of the future. We also grab a highly touted goaltending prospect for good measure.
Next year, we probably don't make the playoffs (or we just squeak in) and we take the best Top 6'er available. We would be set up for years (provided we can sign a few stopgaps to teach all of these kids how to play their positions at the NHL level over the next 3-5 seasons).
The team is in the middle of a rebuild and has had a million injuries. Lets face facts, that is a recipe for a lottery pick. Hopefully about 2 years from now this will all be a bad memory.
The team is in the middle of a rebuild and has had a million injuries. Lets face facts, that is a recipe for a lottery pick. Hopefully about 2 years from now this will all be a bad memory.
Then we get to take a turn insulting all the rebuilding teams and acting like we never went through it!
People showed last year that we are totally willing to accept the bad times with hopefully some good with a group of young exciting players. What people are totally fed up with his the shi* play of some vets and coach and or front office being totally unwilling to take some vets to task.
People are not mad because we are out of the playoffs or have another few years before we can challenge, they are made because the team has some coddled entitled vets that play like pure garbage and get reward by more ice time, more pp time. Win or look good losing and we are fine. Getting butt stomped each game is not acceptable, nor is feeding playing time to those who have shown they do not deserve it.
If the oilers do in fact select Dumba or Murray in the upcoming draft, will either of those two guys be able to make the 2012-2013 roster? Just curious.
If the oilers do in fact select Dumba or Murray in the upcoming draft, will either of those two guys be able to make the 2012-2013 roster? Just curious.
If the oilers do in fact select Dumba or Murray in the upcoming draft, will either of those two guys be able to make the 2012-2013 roster? Just curious.
With our atrocious defense, both could make the team. However, I would personally want them in the AHL so they could get more ice time
I saw the same game from right behind the two benches...Oil Kings vs Rebels.
This pretty much says it all. Kid had a fantastic game.
I would add though that he does not seem to tire. He had one shift where he played the whole pp and then ended up playing another 2 plus minutes. He dominated the shift and generated a bunch of scoring chances.
Dumba looks like he loves to play. Real raw-raw guy in the bench. I was really impressed.
An ideal draft for me would be to somehow walk away with one of Galchenyuk/Gaunce and one of Murray/Dumba. Nit sure how to make that happen but it would be huge going forward!
I'm in wholehearted agreement Fourier! Galchenyuk, in spite of the lost year, intrigues me a great deal as a C. If they get #1 or 2, and trade down (not too far, mind you) and pick up an additional 1st to pick Galchenyuk, I could see this being a not-entirely-unrealistic scenario.
I think this team needs a Grigorenko more than it needs a defensive prospect, but if the Oilers are out of that range I would love to snag one of Dumba or Murray. Either one sounds like he could be an impact defender down the road. I just think another high-end offensive guy would put this team over the edge, and being able to split the kids into Hall-Grigorenko and RNH-Eberle would really test the opposition's defensive depth. Which one do you send your top unit out against? Or rather, which one would scare you the least playing against your second pairing? Couldn't be an easy question to answer. Plus, strength down the middle is appealing.
The real question is what happens if we draft Yakupov. I think you'd have to split the kids the same way, but personnel decisions beyond "ADD AN EF'N DEFENSEMAN" get more convoluted.
If the oilers do in fact select Dumba or Murray in the upcoming draft, will either of those two guys be able to make the 2012-2013 roster? Just curious.
Maybe, but it really doesnt matter. This team will stink next year too, with or without our draft pick in the lineup. The main thing in drafting one of those two is we have the pieces we need moving forward.
Worrying about if our pick will be ready to jump into the league next year should be the last thing we are doing when it comes to making our choice.
I want Grigorenko. Hall and Grigorenko would be amazing, then add Eberle and RNH. That would be unbelievable. Top 6 is set then. We just need a big top 6 winger like Hartnell for Eberle and RNH and pretty much anyone for Grigs and Hall.
I want Grigorenko. Hall and Grigorenko would be amazing, then add Eberle and RNH. That would be unbelievable. Top 6 is set then. We just need a big top 6 winger like Hartnell for Eberle and RNH and pretty much anyone for Grigs and Hall.
Will Grigorenko want to come over to NA? I have my doubts.
__________________ "He just ate up Robyn Regehr for dinner, a spectacular play by Hemsky, and Robyn Regehr has got doo doo all over his face" - Rod Phillips call on Hemsky's goal vs the Flames
I'm fine with another forward, I don't think the Oilers are as deep there as some people think. Same reason I'd be fine with Hemsky sticking around.
That said, Tambellini should honestly be signing the best 4 defencemen he can find this offseason. If they go into next season with the same mix of players on defence, I'm done.
Maybe, but it really doesnt matter. This team will stink next year too, with or without our draft pick in the lineup. The main thing in drafting one of those two is we have the pieces we need moving forward.
Worrying about if our pick will be ready to jump into the league next year should be the last thing we are doing when it comes to making our choice.
I am a little surprised you are so against the idea of Grigerenko. You are always talking about all our smurfs. I would think that the idea of a big skilled center would be very appealing to you.
Maybe, but it really doesnt matter. This team will stink next year too, with or without our draft pick in the lineup. The main thing in drafting one of those two is we have the pieces we need moving forward.
Worrying about if our pick will be ready to jump into the league next year should be the last thing we are doing when it comes to making our choice.
Fair enough.
That said, I think there's a high probability that Grigorenko is simply a better player in the long run versus Murray/Dumba.
Very high skill level, good size, really nice shot, Malkin-esque playing style.
I'm not so resigned that we will suck next year automatically either. We need to stay healthy, get a better coach, and add 2 ready-to-play-now D-Men to our back end over the deadline-end of summer.
Matt Dumba
The guy is a thoroughbred who plays big minutes, drive the play offensively with the wheels to get back on defense after his sorties. Had at least 3 pancake hits laying the boom on Hitmen players. This is the exact player missing on the Oiler roster and specifically on the blue line. The trees are coming with Teubert, Musil, Klefbom, and Marancin ... Maybe Gernat and Plante. They need the electrifying offensive guy to set the tone.
Oil brass will have tons of viewings for Dumba having many prolonged eyes on viewings of RNH last year. They will have a good body of work through which to gage the maturation of Dumba's game and project it forward. I think they likely love this kid.
I see more Doughty than Phaneuf. And I like Button's comp to Chelios. This is a special player with non stop motor.
Henrik Samuelson
Big, mean physical. A chip off the old chippy, mean, dirty win at all costs. Did time for in the elite U.S. program, misplaced in the Swedish game, I look for this kid's stock to rise on a deep Oil King team in the right league for his pro development. On the Oil owned junior team, they will have a ton of looks, insight from coach and GM. I saw one of his first Dub games in Calgary ... At least about 1/2 as he was kicked out for boarding.
Size, physical, decent skills set. A core need for this team moving forward. Projecting bottom third of first round to get this riser.
Stephan Matteau
Dont have a first hand viewing. Bloodlines of a big, character ten year pro you know has positive intangibles if Keenan trades for you multiple times. Son has size, time with elite US. Program, apparent short fuse and competitiveness. Bound for CHL finishing school in the Q.
The Oil size and compete level must improve big time. This draft and these top three hit the mark imo.
Looking for Matteau to squeak out to Oil second round 31-34 range pick.
Andrey Makarov
Ice water tender proved mettle in U20 trial by fire in Quarter final against a surging Team Canada and heroic Final in one sided barrage by Sweden. Overlooked in lost year in Lewiston but driving Blades success with consistent, strong play. Well liked and battle tested. A solid third rounder in effort to find future starting goaltender.
