Murray was constantly matched up against the opposition's top lines and was +6 in tournament if i recall correctly leading to the Russia game. I know the first 30 minutes of that game makes everyone hate the guy, even though some of those goals were just unlucky bounces.
Going in to the Russain game there was praise for Murray in his abilty to shut other teams top players down. Sadly that was all ruined by a couple bad bounces. To me he is the complete package, I would be more then happy if we draft him.=
I prefer Grigo, but Murray is a decent consolation prize. I really don't expect him to do much for the blue line in the near future though. We'll have to acquire real vets and hope we can get at least one healthy year out of Whitney to see serious improvement there.
The one worry I have about Murray/Dumba is neither has Larsson-type size (or even Fowler).
At 6'0 for one and 5'11 for the other, they're not the biggest guys, and I think size matters much more for D-men than forwards. I know Dumba has laid out kids in junior, but I'm not sure if he'll be able to play the same style versus grown NHL men. They're likely to get manhandled a fair bit at the NHL level their first couple of years.
Going in to the Russain game there was praise for Murray in his abilty to shut other teams top players down. Sadly that was all ruined by a couple bad bounces. To me he is the complete package, I would be more then happy if we draft him.=
But who did he have to shutdown up to that point? A bad US team, average Finnish team, Denmark and the Czechs?
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I prefer Grigo, but Murray is a decent consolation prize. I really don't expect him to do much for the blue line in the near future though. We'll have to acquire real vets and hope we can get at least one healthy year out of Whitney to see serious improvement there.
The one worry I have about Murray/Dumba is neither has Larsson-type size (or even Fowler).
At 6'0 for one and 5'11 for the other, they're not the biggest guys, and I think size matters much more for D-men than forwards. They're likely to get manhandled a fair bit at the NHL level their first couple of years.
Thats what I mean by they arent the same type of mold as recent top 10 picks... Murray lost every puck battle I saw in the camp and its just camp but it still worries me for what might happen at a bigger, faster, stronger level like the NHL
But who did he have to shutdown up to that point? A bad US team, average Finnish team, Denmark and the Czechs?
Thats what I mean by they arent the same type of mold as recent top 10 picks... Murray lost every puck battle I saw in the camp and its just camp but it still worries me for what might happen at a bigger, faster, stronger level like the NHL
Oh in my mind if the Oilers force him into the lineup next season, I don't really have much of a doubt that Murray will probably routinely get out-muscled for the puck.
I'm not saying he won't be a very good player in due time, I just hope this board doesn't turn on him if he is the pick and then reality sets in that he's not some defensive messiah the first year or two (or perhaps even three).
Oh in my mind if the Oilers force him into the lineup next season, I don't really have much of a doubt that Murray will probably routinely get out-muscled for the puck.
I'm not saying he won't be a very good player in due time, I just hope this board doesn't turn on him if he is the pick and then reality sets in that he's not some defensive messiah the first year or two (or perhaps even three).
Well exactly, I would hope that wouldnt be the case but who knows with this city. Some people were turning on Hall already at the start of the year...
Like I said in the game thread Dumba really controlled the entire game when I saw the Rebels take on the Oil Kings earlier this month. Considering how amazing the Oil Kings have been... that was no small feat. He was all over the ice and the Oil Kings only managed 3 goals and lost in a shootout.
How is he not a bust from what he was touted as I said "touted" keyword. This guy could be out of the league in the KHL and most people wouldn't remember him. Remember the guy as an Oiler I could count maybe on one hand where he had stand out games you say that's a top pairing guy.
Which leads to the second part if you draft that high you want a potential #1 or 2 guy, not a Pitkanen type player who some nights (even with Carolina) looks disinterested and unpassionate. I thought it was cerebral player for years, but not really anymore
What a load of BS. Pitkanen was our best Dman the season he was here by a long shot. He would be our best Dman right now as well. Too bad he didnt want to be here.
Like I said in the game thread Dumba really controlled the entire game when I saw the Rebels take on the Oil Kings earlier this month. Considering how amazing the Oil Kings have been... that was no small feat. He was all over the ice and the Oil Kings only managed 3 goals and lost in a shootout.
Dumba I think has a higher upside than Murray, or at least is more "flashier".
He may have more growing pains though too because that style of play ... either he's going to come into the NHL and immediately do some great things, or he's going to run into a brick wall trying to adjust his style against much, much bigger forwards.
It seems like a Hall/Seguin type of year. I don't know too much so don't lambast me but if we don't get a top 2 pick, it seems like 3-8/9 are fairly alike. I would hope that someone like Reinhart is a lot like Hamilton(if we pick them).
Dumba I think has a higher upside than Murray, or at least is more "flashier".
He may have more growing pains though too because that style of play ... either he's going to come into the NHL and immediately do some great things, or he's going to run into a brick wall trying to adjust his style against much, much bigger forwards.
Well, Murray's game has been compared to Scott Neidermeyer so that's really tempting... but Dumba's more physical - we need that element - and he has offensive talent as well. Plus, it can't hurt to select a former teammate of Nugent-Hopkins. He'll never hesitate to protect Nuge or come to his aid.
He's also from Calgary. We'd be turning the tide on the Flames with Dumba and Hall.
Well, Murray's game has been compared to Scott Neidermeyer so that's really tempting... but Dumba's more physical - we need that element - and he has offensive talent as well. Plus, it can't hurt to select a former teammate of Nugent-Hopkins. He'll never hesitate to protect Nuge or come to his aid.
He's also from Calgary. We'd be turning the tide on the Flames with Dumba and Hall.
Again, I don't claim to a lot of knowledge on this front but it does concern me to see a player of his stature rocking the hits in junior. It's hard to envision that at the NHL level.
Well, Murray's game has been compared to Scott Neidermeyer so that's really tempting... but Dumba's more physical - we need that element - and he has offensive talent as well. Plus, it can't hurt to select a former teammate of Nugent-Hopkins. He'll never hesitate to protect Nuge or come to his aid.
He's also from Calgary. We'd be turning the tide on the Flames with Dumba and Hall.
That's my big concern though is at 5'11 can he destroy people at the NHL level with hits the way he does in junior. I'm not sure.
If he was 6'3 like Phaneuf or Larsson, it'd be a wash for me between him and Grigo.
I think there is too much focus on Dumba's hitting/physical game. He is a high skill offensive defenseman who has a gritty, physical element to his game. In that regard, I like Button's comp to Chris Chelios. The kid is an electric, high octane engaged dman, the type of player sorely missing on this roster.
He is totally committed to being an elite player. Set a goal to make the U20 Cdn team at 13 or 14 when Alta was announced as location. Got to the December selection camp where he showed well. Two years away from an NHL roster is my guess...
Redline Report summary for the U20 tournament. Check out their love for Vasilevski:
Dumba I think has a higher upside than Murray, or at least is more "flashier".
He may have more growing pains though too because that style of play ... either he's going to come into the NHL and immediately do some great things, or he's going to run into a brick wall trying to adjust his style against much, much bigger forwards.
Well, Murray's game has been compared to Scott Neidermeyer so that's really tempting... but Dumba's more physical - we need that element - and he has offensive talent as well. Plus, it can't hurt to select a former teammate of Nugent-Hopkins. He'll never hesitate to protect Nuge or come to his aid.
He's also from Calgary. We'd be turning the tide on the Flames with Dumba and Hall.
All of this.
Dumba brings things to the table that Murray just doesnt.
Because he has been smoking fools that have been much bigger than him all along the way. He plays physical all over the ice. Its how he plays the game.
Because he has been smoking fools that have been much bigger than him all along the way. He plays physical all over the ice. Its how he plays the game.
I will believe when I see him lay out say a Jarome Iginla or destroy a skilled player like Tyler Seguin or physically intimidate some of the Canucks.
There are not many guys in the NHL period that destroy other players at 5'11, let alone 18/19 year olds.
I'm as intrigued by his skillset as anyone, but the reality is that junior and the NHL are very different things.
Because he has been smoking fools that have been much bigger than him all along the way. He plays physical all over the ice. Its how he plays the game.
I will believe when I see him lay out say a Jarome Iginla or destroy a skilled player like Tyler Seguin.
There are not many guys in the NHL period that destroy other players at 5'11, let alone 18/19 year olds.
If only Dumba could have Pekhams body...
I think it will take a year or two but he will eventually get there IMO, it will take time though. The Dmen in this draft seem to be projects, I don't see them coming in and making a difference right from the start ala Larsson...
We'd be turning the tide on the Flames with Dumba and Hall.
