Different situation, same principle. How can ANYONE, even an obviously biased fan, defend that is beyond me. It`s sad actually.
There's no middle here. I'll wait until all the facts are out before hanging anyone. Once again, name me a player that got a season ending injury from those aledge bounty hits?
With that said, Williams does deserve a sentence, no doubt about it but I just feel that it's getting blown way out of proportion when 90% of all players aren't even shocked about it.
I'm almost certain that those things happen everywhere, it's just that the Saints got caught and are about to get nailed with massive finds, just like we got the book thrown at us for doing something everyone else was already doing.
I heard the Redskins might be implicated in a similar scandal? Anybody know more about that? My friend who is a Skins fan is freaking out about it on Facebook.
There's no middle here. I'll wait until all the facts are out before hanging anyone. Once again, name me a player that got a season ending injury from those aledge bounty hits?
With that said, Williams does deserve a sentence, no doubt about it but I just feel that it's getting blown way out of proportion when 90% of all players aren't even shocked about it.
I'm almost certain that those things happen everywhere, it's just that the Saints got caught and are about to get nailed with massive finds, just like we got the book thrown at us for doing something everyone else was already doing.
I really doubt there are many other teams, if any that do things to the extent the Saints did. I think you are letting your homism cloud how bad this really is
I heard the Redskins might be implicated in a similar scandal? Anybody know more about that? My friend who is a Skins fan is freaking out about it on Facebook.
This same guy (Williams) reportedly did this while coaching with Washington and Buffalo. If either of those teams get punished it won't be anywhere near as severe though.
I heard the Redskins might be implicated in a similar scandal? Anybody know more about that? My friend who is a Skins fan is freaking out about it on Facebook.
Williams admited that he did the same thing when he was a DC in Washington and when he was a HC in Buffalo, so that might be the reason why the Redskins are "implicated".
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I really doubt there are many other teams, if any that do things to the extent the Saints did. I think you are letting your homism cloud how bad this really is
Like I said, if 90% of all players aren't even stuned by such "breaking news", what does that tell you? If the Saints were the only team who operated in such fashion, wouldn't you think that 90% of all players would be shocked about it all instead of just brushing it off as if it wasn't all that "important"?
Like I said, if 90% of all players aren't even stuned by such "breaking news", what does that tell you? If the Saints were the only team who operated in such fashion, wouldn't you think that 90% of all players would be shocked about it all?
Because something like this isn't unheard of. Doesn't make it normal or right, but this isn't the most shocking news story ever.
Because something like this isn't unheard of. Doesn't make it normal or right, but this isn't the most shocking news story ever.
I never said that throwing bounty's on other players heads were justified, cause it isn't.
Just saying that this story is probably getting blown way out of proportion when taking into consideration that there's not one single player who suffered a serious injury from any Saints player in the years Williams was our DC and that the overwhelming majority of the players in the NFL aren't even shocked about it all should prove to many that this type of stuff is more frequent then people would imagine.
I never said that throwing bounty's on other players heads were justified, cause it isn't.
Just saying that this story is probably getting blown way out of proportion when taking into consideration that there's not one single player who suffered a serious injury from any Saints player in the years Williams was our DC and that the overwelming majority of the players in the NFL aren't even shocked about it all should prove to many that this type of stuff is more frequent then people would imagine.
This is not getting blown out of proportion and you are a tad delusional on this. You can't take this lightly especially with all these injury lawsuits.
I wouldn't be surprised if similar instances happened before and we never heard a peep about it. However DATW, people freaking out over it is not blowing this out of proportion. This is as severe as it gets. So what if 90% of the players are shocked by this being breaking news? The fact this has come out makes the league look awful. The severity of this tremendous. Hopefully this is only centered around Williams, and not rampant throughout the league.
players making friendly person to person wagers is NOT even in the same ballpark as what happened here. The owner even wrote a letter telling the team to stop it.
Another thing about the Saints (heard it on ESPN)...the NFL told them to STOP sometime before and they did not.
I lost respect for the way the NFL is run during the lockout, but this makes me lose even more respect if they tried pushing it under the carpet for the Saints and especially to continue to ride the "feel good post-hurricane" story
The Saints goofing is self explanatory, the NFL not putting a stop to it then and there is a ****ing joke
I'm a little bias, as expected from a fan of the team, but this saga is getting way overblown IMO.
Don't get me wrong, injuring players on purpose is a ***** move, but this is football... not the ballet. Players thrive on big "game changing" hits, they show about 654654 replays on the jumbotron after a booming hit, they have a top 5 countdown every week on national televised shows on ESPN, etc, etc, etc.
The fact that almost every NFL player that commented on the situation said that this kind of stuff happens all the time leads me to believe that it's not as bad as people think. The only difference is that the Saints got caught while all the other teams didn't.
If players would've came out and said "WTF is wrong with Williams and the Saints. The next time I'm playing them, they better watch out", that would've been troubling but that's not what happend.
I wouldn't be surprised if similar instances happened before and we never heard a peep about it. However DATW, people freaking out over it is not blowing this out of proportion. This is as severe as it gets. So what if 90% of the players are shocked by this being breaking news? The fact this has come out makes the league look awful. The severity of this tremendous. Hopefully this is only centered around Williams, and not rampant throughout the league.
Of course it's going to leave a big stain on the NFL, there's no doubt about it. With all the coverage this is getting, there's no way around that.
What I was trying to say is that it's not like they had a reward sheet saying "If you break someone's leg, you'll earn x amount of money, if you break someone's ankle you'll be getting x amount of cash, if you give someone a serious concussion... you won the jackpot with a extra week of paid vacation".
Hard hits is one thing, leaving on stretchers might be part of a legal hit... can it not? Do players who get injured and leave on stretchers are all results of cheapshots?
There's a distinct difference between being rewarded for attempting to intentionnaly injure someone and playing hard with the consequence of someone leaving the game on a clean, yet, lethal hit.
Of course it's going to leave a big stain on the NFL, there's no doubt about it. With all the coverage this is getting, there's no way around that.
What I was trying to say is that it's not like they had a reward sheet saying "If you break someone's leg, you'll earn x amount of money, if you break someone's ankle you'll be getting x amount of cash, if you give someone a serious concussion... you won the jackpot with a extra week of paid vacation".
Hard hits is one thing, leaving on stretchers might be part of a legal hit... can it not? Do players who get injured and leave on stretchers are all results of cheapshots?
There's a distinct difference between being rewarded for attempting to intentionnaly injure someone and playing hard with the consequence of someone leaving the game on a clean, yet, lethal hit.
If you can at least explain your point, that way, I might understand your pov instead of posting smilies to look like a smart ass.
So let me get this right. If someone leaves the game on a lethal hit, does that mean he's getting rewarded at the end of the game? I have no idea why my comment made you scream for help but like I said, with a explanation, I might actually agree with you but throwing stupid smilies around to prove a point isn't bringing anything to the table IMO.
I'm not trying to be a smart ass....but you are a Saints supporter. so anything you say on the matter cannot be taken seriously.
I actually like the Saints a lot, I would probably say they are my 2nd favorite team a ways behind Miami, and I still cannot condone anything they did. at all.
DATW read the NFL statement and take your homer glasses off. And the punishment will not only be for the bounties for causing injuries but also for cap circumvention. The NFL already has found the Saints guilty of both.
I'm not trying to be a smart ass....but you are a Saints supporter. so anything you say on the matter cannot be taken seriously.
I actually like the Saints a lot, I would probably say they are my 2nd favorite team a ways behind Miami, and I still cannot condone anything they did. at all.
I'll repeat myself... again.
If what Williams and whoever else was involved in that situation had a list saying "if you brake someone's ankle you'll get this much, if you brake someone's arm you'll get this much, if you brake someone's leg you'll get that much and if you send someone on a stretcher you'll get the game ball + a bonus + a extra week's vacation".
I think the NFL has to look into this matter with a open mind. As of right now, it just seems that everyone is linking the hard hits that Saints players dished out with "they must've hit the guy real hard for the extra coin" and that's where I don't agree.
If it's proved that every hard hit that was dished out is in direct link to the bounty allegation, I'll agree with everyone and say that the hammer should be droped on the Saints... and droped hard. On the other hand, if it was in deed accepted in the locker room to have a bounty reward but that the actions on the field weren't linked with any of that and was just plain ol' good smash mouth football... that's a entirely different sitution if you ask me.
All I'm trying to say is that there's a possibility that guys getting injured had nothing to do with the bounty stuff and everything to do with a clean, hard hit that cause a player to leave the field because of a legit football play. I think they have to prove that the players getting injured are a direct link with the bounty allegations and that's a hard thing to prove.
DATW read the NFL statement and take your homer glasses off. And the punishment will not only be for the bounties for causing injuries but also for cap circumvention. The NFL already has found the Saints guilty of both.
