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01-23-2012, 01:27 PM
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Potential Contract extention for Petro.

I know this is thinking a bit to far in advance but what kind of contract do you see petro getting when his Entry level contract expires? (or if he gets an extension earlier) I have only been a hockey fan since the beginning of the 08-09 season so I am unfamiliar with how contracts work with a player that has played so well under his ELC.

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01-23-2012, 01:31 PM
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I for one hope they give him something long term, like really long term, rather than a couple year deal as they have with our other younger players.

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01-23-2012, 01:34 PM
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The difference between Petro and the other young players, Petro has lived up to his potential during his entry level deal, so I would expect him to get a bigger, longer deal.

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I for one hope they give him something long term, like really long term, rather than a couple year deal as they have with our other younger players.
I agree. I'm not sure about dollar value, but I really hope the Blues lock him up long term. He's done everything that has been asked of him in terms of development, and he just continues to get better.

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01-23-2012, 01:48 PM
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I'm certainly on board with giving him a really long term deal, contracts that I don't typically like.

12 years, $75m? I don't know, I'm useless at predicting dollar amounts. If it was something like that, I would be delighted though.

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01-23-2012, 01:59 PM
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I'm certainly on board with giving him a really long term deal, contracts that I don't typically like.

12 years, $75m? I don't know, I'm useless at predicting dollar amounts. If it was something like that, I would be delighted though.
I just don't see the Blues giving any deal longer than 7 years and that's to anyone.

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01-23-2012, 02:22 PM
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I hope its a long contract, and wouldn't be surprised to see a +$5M/year deal

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I would guess for a 5 year deal for 25-28 million

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01-23-2012, 02:49 PM
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They will absolutely look to lock him up long term if they can. They'd be stupid not to. He's the real deal and everyone who watches him can see it plain as day.

Doughty is the comparable the two sides will be looking at, and that's 8yrs, 7M cap hit.

Personally I wouldn't bat an eye if they gave him that. He's absolutely the best player on the team and will be for a long time. He will certainly get the biggest contract. I think Petro's next deal will be in the 7-10yr range and while they probably won't pay him more than 7 there's no way he should take less than 6M if Doughty's getting 7M.

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01-23-2012, 02:51 PM
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I just don't see the Blues giving any deal longer than 7 years and that's to anyone.
I suspect you are right, and typically I think that is the best way to go. I do think there are players you need to make an exception for, and Pietrangelo falls into that category.

How far should we be looking down the road though? I think his style of play limits the chance of injury as much as possible for a hockey player, so I'm not worried about that long term. With new owners, and in 5 years time is the cap going to be a worry for this team? Maybe.

I wouldn't mind paying a bit more now to have him locked up long term on a nice deal. I expect he will get a 5-6 year deal in the $27m-$35m range. With how the cap will look after that deal is up, and his standard of play, I would be surprised if we got much change out of $7.5m a year after that.

It does all comes down to risk/reward. He is the only Blues player I think merits taking that kind of risk on.

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I'm hoping 8 years $50 million

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01-23-2012, 03:03 PM
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Petro's UFA date is summer 2017 at age 27. That would be four seasons after his ELC expires in a year and a half. They're going to pay him a lot for those RFA years in order to buy as many UFA years as they can.

Personally I'd even risk a 12-year deal on a guy like Petro, nobody else. This is a guy we want to spend his whole career in Blue. He's the franchise.

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Well I guess it won't be a 5 year deal if the Blues have their way. Looks like it will be a 3 year or a 7+ year deal.

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10yrs @ 60 Million sure would be nice.

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I think the Doughty deal is way too high for Petro, and Doughty for that matter. I can see something like Suter/Letang ( 4 years, 3.5 per). I wouldnt mind an escalating deal, something like 3.5, 3.5, 4, 4.5, 5, 5.
It is unfortunate how the market for dmen is out of control.

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I think the Doughty deal is way too high for Petro, and Doughty for that matter. I can see something like Suter/Letang ( 4 years, 3.5 per). I wouldnt mind an escalating deal, something like 3.5, 3.5, 4, 4.5, 5, 5.
It is unfortunate how the market for dmen is out of control.
christen erhoff anyone?

i seriously don't care how long we lock him up until. he's 22, i say a 10 year deal 50-60 million dollar price range

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I think the Doughty deal is way too high for Petro, and Doughty for that matter. I can see something like Suter/Letang ( 4 years, 3.5 per). I wouldnt mind an escalating deal, something like 3.5, 3.5, 4, 4.5, 5, 5.
It is unfortunate how the market for dmen is out of control.
Pietrangelo is the kind of player you throw a big offer sheet at and don't care if you have to give up draft picks. So there is no way his deal will be that low. For one thing, Suter had put up offensive seasons of 16, 24 and 31 points on his ELC years when he signed his 4 x 3.5. Letang's offensive numbers were 17, 33 and 27 when he signed his. No way does Petro sign for that little. Petro's probably better on the defensive side than he is offensively and is going to likely post 43 and 45ish his first two years.

Alex Pietrangelo >>> Suter or Letang. And that's a good thing for Blues fans.

Edit For the record, here are the RFA #s for 11-12:

$1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
$1,034,249 $1,567,043: Third-round pick
$1,567,043 $3,134,088: Second-round pick
$3,134,088 $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
$4,701,131 $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
$6,268,175 $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
$7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks

If anybody thinks there's no team willing to throw a first, second and third for Alex Pietrangelo without even hesitating, that person's nuts.


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I am pretty sure that Pietrangelo has the same agent as Doughty so it wouldn't surprise me to see his agent try and drag it out for absolute max dollar. Armstrong seems to be a hell of a lot better at negotiations than Lombardi so hopefully Pietrangelo's contract will get done with much less drama than Doughty's.

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I am pretty sure that Pietrangelo has the same agent as Doughty so it wouldn't surprise me to see his agent try and drag it out for absolute max dollar. Armstrong seems to be a hell of a lot better at negotiations than Lombardi so hopefully Pietrangelo's contract will get done with much less drama than Doughty's.
Yup. They both have Don Meehan. The Blues have had a pretty good relationship with him from the looks of things though. He also represents Arnott and Backes.

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The Blues have shown to be pretty conservative in their contracts and both JD and Army have come out against super long deals. I suspect that would still be true for Petro. I'll also note that the longest you can get insurance on a contract is 7 yrs. Again, the Blues are conservative and don't have the ability to take the risks some teams with more revenue streams can. For that reason, I expect it would be for 7 years max. At this point, I'd say around $5.5M per season but negotiations likely won't start for another year and he'll likely be worth even more then. This talk is way early but I'd say 7 years averaging $6 to 6.5M.

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Any thoughts on what Shattenkirk should get? Statistically very similiar, RH shot, solid D, offensive upside. Will the Blues be able to sign both?

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Any thoughts on what Shattenkirk should get? Statistically very similiar, RH shot, solid D, offensive upside. Will the Blues be able to sign both?
No idea what Shattenkirk will get, but I don't see any issues with the blues signing both players. They're both RFA's and will be somewhat cost controlled. It all just depends on what kind of term the blues and the players are seeking.

Petro is probably the only player I'd feel comfortable giving a 10+ deal to. Duncan Keith got 72mil over 13 years. He was 26 when he signed his deal. If we could sign petro at 23 or 24 to a 10 year deal, that would be perfect.

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