Earlier this season,someone posted that Evander Kane was clashing with his headcoach and that he had requested a trade.I scoffed and brushed it off as wishful thinking on that fan's part.
After reading the article below,I guess there was some truth to those rumors.He's a very talented youngster,but it sounds like he needs to grow up.I expect the Jets to wait it out,hoping Kane matures.I think the only way he is moved,is if he again demands a trade and won't back off that demand..The only 2 isles I would not want moved for him are Tavares and Hamonic.
Earlier this season,someone posted that Evander Kane was clashing with his headcoach and that he had requested a trade.I scoffed and brushed it off as wishful thinking on that fan's part.
After reading the article below,I guess there was some truth to those rumors.He's a very talented youngster,but it sounds like he needs to grow up.I expect the Jets to wait it out,hoping Kane matures.I think the only way he is moved,is if he again demands a trade and won't back off that demand..The only 2 isles I would not want moved for him are Tavares and Hamonic.
Wow, interesting stuff. Just seems like immaturity to me, but maybe there is something there? He should be worshipped in Winnipeg, he is very talented.
Wow, interesting stuff. Just seems like immaturity to me, but maybe there is something there? He should be worshipped in Winnipeg, he is very talented.
A Kessel/Boston situation happening here?
I think the Kessel situation was more about money and the Bruins not feeling Kessel was a well rounded enough player, for the salary he was demanding.I think they saw him as a great scorer,but weak defensively and not much of a physical presence.
In Kane's situation,I can't see anyone disappointd with his style of play or production.
It could just be that many of the Canadian fans love the modest,good old Canadian boys.
Kane comes across as brash.Nothing wrong with that,but add in maturity issues and it can rub some people the wrong way.
However,in each of the past two drafts,Strang and Botta both reported Snow shopped the 5th overall pick.Strang tweeted that Snow wanted a young player(20-22 yrs old),who's upside was similar to the players who would be available when it was Snow's turn to pick.Snow wanted to speed up his rebuild by getting a 20-22 yr old,instead of an 18 yr old.
Since Kane has already had a couple of very impressive seasons,it would cost more then just the isles 2012 1st rounder.
Depending on what the final cost would be,I think Snow would be very interested in Kane.
When Snow drafted Kabanov ,some of the press scoffed.Snow told them he believed in 2nd chances and that Kabanov just neeeded to mature.
Snow should try something at least. I would ask Cheveldayoff to pick any 2 players on the Isles roster (beside Tavares and Hamonic) + our 2012 2nd for Kane.
I think the Kessel situation was more about money and the Bruins not feeling Kessel was a well rounded enough player, for the salary he was demanding.I think they saw him as a great scorer,but weak defensively and not much of a physical presence.
In Kane's situation,I can't see anyone disappointd with his style of play or production.
It could just be that many of the Canadian fans love the modest,good old Canadian boys.
Kane comes across as brash.Nothing wrong with that,but add in maturity issues and it can rub some people the wrong way.
The Kessel move was much less about money, and much more about the fact that his teammates just simply didn't like him. He was not at all a popular guy in that locker room.
Kane's not going anywhere. He's talented, the Jets need him, he'll grow up eventually.
So if Kane again demands a trade,but this time doesn't back off his trade demand,the Jets are going to keep him?
I'll agree the Jets need him,he's talented and they will wait,hoping he matures.That doesn't mean he will(not everybody does).The Jets needing him also doesn't mean that he won't eventually ask to be traded again.
The Kessel move was much less about money, and much more about the fact that his teammates just simply didn't like him. He was not at all a popular guy in that locker room.
I have read that Kessel was extremely shy and socially awkward.
I have read that Kessel was extremely shy and socially awkward.
I didn't realize he was disliked by teammates.
I don't think the Bruins are home to the players with the best personalities, Shawn Thornton, who I really don't like, and he showed his true colors by participating in that ambush of the Vancouver broadcaster, absolutely lambasted Kessel.
With that said, you're absolutely right. Kessel was awkward and shy, which usually leads to being misunderstood. Anyway, the players played a part in rubbing him out.
I like Zdeno Chara. I like Tim Thomas. The rest of them can run around naked on an animal farm for all I care.
So if Kane again demands a trade,but this time doesn't back off his trade demand,the Jets are going to keep him?
I'll agree the Jets need him,he's talented and they will wait,hoping he matures.That doesn't mean he will(not everybody does).The Jets needing him also doesn't mean that he won't eventually ask to be traded again.
I think there's a long way to go from a kid's early troubles with an organization, poor judgements and mistakes of youth, to dealing a guy because it no longer works. A long way to go. Kabanov's had his share of mistakes and he's not even 20 yet.
If it reaches that point, I think there will be a lot of teams bidding for his services - but much depends on the reasons. Nobody wants a selfish player on the roster to disrupt the chemistry on the team - regardless of potential. Turris demanded a trade a long time ago and he got a pretty good return even though his value was at it's lowest.
So I'm not too optimistic about the NYI getting a player like Kane, even if he does become available one day, which I doubt. I think the price would be too high for a team with little depth like the NYI. But we'll see how this plays out.
I think there's a long way to go from a kid's early troubles with an organization, poor judgements and mistakes of youth, to dealing a guy because it no longer works. A long way to go. Kabanov's had his share of mistakes and he's not even 20 yet.
If it reaches that point, I think there will be a lot of teams bidding for his services - but much depends on the reasons. Nobody wants a selfish player on the roster to disrupt the chemistry on the team - regardless of potential. Turris demanded a trade a long time ago and he got a pretty good return even though his value was at it's lowest.
So I'm not too optimistic about the NYI getting a player like Kane, even if he does become available one day, which I doubt. I think the price would be too high for a team with little depth like the NYI. But we'll see how this plays out.
In my first post,I said I expected the Jets to hold onto him,hoping he matures.
Kane remaining in that organization,isn't just up to the Jets ownership and gm though.Kane gets a say,unless the Jets aren't concerned with a star player who wants out,in their lockerroom.
There are too many unknowns at this point:playing in Winnipeg must feel like playing in a fishbowl,compared to playing in Atlanta,where the nba and nfl take center stage.Does that play a role?I don't recall questions about Kane's maturity when the team was in Atlanta.
Maybe his early success has simply gone to his head and he needs to check his ego.
Either way,it's a situation I'd hope Snow would kick the tires on.If someone had posted last spring that the Flyers were going to be moving Carter and Richards because of lockerroom issues,they'd have been laughed off the boards.So reading that Kane has maturity issues and already demanded a trade once this season,I don't know how anyone can say 'oh,he won't be traded'.
Exactly. The whole point is JT needs help and a skilled player on his line. Don't understand how we trade for him, and he doesn't play with JT
It's more about the team than JT. Right now, rather than trying to coax more production from JT's line, the team needs to find some secondary scoring. If we were able to add a player like Kane, you keep him on the second line and get two lines going.
In my first post,I said I expected the Jets to hold onto him,hoping he matures.
Kane remaining in that organization,isn't just up to the Jets ownership and gm though.Kane gets a say,unless the Jets aren't concerned with a star player who wants out,in their lockerroom.
There are too many unknowns at this point:playing in Winnipeg must feel like playing in a fishbowl,compared to playing in Atlanta,where the nba and nfl take center stage.Does that play a role?I don't recall questions about Kane's maturity when the team was in Atlanta.
Maybe his early success has simply gone to his head and he needs to check his ego.
Either way,it's a situation I'd hope Snow would kick the tires on.If someone had posted last spring that the Flyers were going to be moving Carter and Richards because of lockerroom issues,they'd have been laughed off the boards.So reading that Kane has maturity issues and already demanded a trade once this season,I don't know how anyone can say 'oh,he won't be traded'.
I don't disagree with any part of your post and I EXPECT Snow will explore this as he should. My stance is mostly, "don't bet on it" because I think, ultimately, the NYI lack the assets to make a trade to improve the team, unless they leverage their best asset (THE CAP), but I know Wang won't spend it.
The NYI player depth at the NHL level is the worst in the NHL. We have to stop thinking a trade can improve the team unless they take on salary or some other reclamation project.
Besides Tavares and Okposo, you could make the argument that their best players are all players they found on the streets: Moulson, Parenteau, Grabner, Streit, Montoya, Nabokov.
Before I expect a trade to improve us, I'm looking for Garth and Charles, strolling the streets in a black Hummer, deep tinted windows, likely puffs of smoke and the smell of failure emanating.
I don't disagree with any part of your post and I EXPECT Snow will explore this as he should. My stance is mostly, "don't bet on it" because I think, ultimately, the NYI lack the assets to make a trade to improve the team, unless they leverage their best asset (THE CAP), but I know Wang won't spend it.
The NYI player depth at the NHL level is the worst in the NHL. We have to stop thinking a trade can improve the team unless they take on salary or some other reclamation project.
Besides Tavares and Okposo, you could make the argument that their best players are all players they found on the streets: Moulson, Parenteau, Grabner, Streit, Montoya, Nabokov.
Before I expect a trade to improve us, I'm looking for Garth and Charles, strolling the streets in a black Hummer, deep tinted windows, likely puffs of smoke and the smell of failure emanating.
Whether they found Moulson,Grabner,Parenteau or Streit on the streets doesn't matter.What matters is that they have them.They also have according to scouts from prospect sites,a very deep and talented prospect pool.I am not so concerned with what fans think of Snow's prospect pool,but what other gms and their scouts think of the isles prospect pool,since these are potential trade partners.
