Great coach: What makes him a great coach exactly? Any awards, championships? I'm not trying to be rude, I just don't know Roy's coaching history at all (and I'm going to guess many others don't either)...
In terms of "knowing the league" and having "contacts", I'm sure there are experienced NHL coaches who have that in their CV's too.
That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying it tells us exactly nothing about his potential coaching ability.
I'm not saying that, I'm saying I see no reason to believe he will be.
Like I said, it's not scientific or anything, but I am a little worried that all the talk about Roy is around being a winner, fiery, passionate, and so on, and we hear next to nothing about his actual coaching style or skills. It's as if they weren't worth mentioning. Yet these are far more important considerations than his personality.
I also do believe that some Roy backers, especially in the media, believe that being a fiery, passionate winner -- or heck, just a good quote -- are all the qualifications he needs, but I think the Habs need to be pickier. And I am seriously worried that Roy might just be getting all this hype out of sheer name recognition because, as I said, we are told so little about his coaching ability.
Fine then, i respect your opinion. But coaching isn't a rocket science. There's matching lines, getting a d-zone system, PP,PK, adapting to the pressure or breakouts of opponents (during the game) and details surrounding breakouts(JM wanted short effective passes while carbo wanted long stretched passes to the wingers flatfooted at the blue line, or asking D to support the rush). Like Michel Therrien said not so long ago, its not so much about what type of system you use, its more about how you can get everyone to use it.
Kinda off topic but id like the habs defense do what the bruins or the wings do in the O-zone. Constantly pinching the winger to keep the pressure and avoid a clean breakout. The way we're playing, the third guy needs to pick either the center or the winger and since the D backs off well one or the other has lots of space to make his play. Off course we do not have the depth and talent that they have atm but that is another case.
Impressive. Who would be need(should) to beGM for Roy to get hired?
That is how this business works; the GM will choose his Head Coach.
his worst 2 years as a coach are 79 and 80 points, and were the 2 consecutive years after the memorial cup he still won 1 playoffs round in this span
since then, he always passed the 1st round with his teams
the guy is a competent coach and he would be a good emissary for the organisation
Maybe Gauthier would hire him, because he's got a good resume and I think that because his son will leave the remparts this off-season, it will give him the will to move on from the Q
GM: Pierre Lacroix
Coach: Patrick ROY
Asst coaches: Carbo and Larry Robinson.
I wish i was Molson, it would be done .
What you just built there is stability in a core ...
The President of the Avs is going to step down to GM the Habs? I doubt Larry would come back, he hates media more than anyone. I also want nothing to do with Nordiques alumni. That would be the most anti-Hab thing you can do.
The President of the Avs is going to step down to GM the Habs? I doubt Larry would come back, he hates media more than anyone. I also want nothing to do with Nordiques alumni. That would be the most anti-Hab thing you can do.
That is why I said Larry Robinson is asst coach..out of the front line.
Roy and Carbo can take that.
You make me laugh, nothing to do with Nords Alumi, yet we got an asst coach at 60 year old who never coached in his life behind our bench..lol
Ok
Bruins want nothin to do with Habs alumni Julien or Jarvis....
How does Damphousse figure into the discussion? He hasn't been apart of a hockey org since his retirement afaik.
He has always been a high representative in the player negotiation. He was V-P when the CBA was signed. He's a pretty intelligent guy who understand the money part of the game.
I don't know I just think he might be our Yzerman.
Fine then, i respect your opinion. But coaching isn't a rocket science.
It's not, but it's complicated enough that it can easily be messed up. There's a lot of aspects: player evaluation, role assignment, line matching, 5-on-5 system, PP system, PK system, adjustments, understanding when a team plays well and loses or plays poorly and wins and what needs to be done in each case... the list goes on.
He has always been a high representative in the player negotiation. He was V-P when the CBA was signed. He's a pretty intelligent guy who understand the money part of the game.
I don't know I just think he might be our Yzerman.
So being an NHLPA representative makes you an adequate prospect for a GM position? Is this serious?
At least Yzerman was a part of the Red Wings since 2006.
I mean, he could be brought into the org, but given the biggest front office job when it comes to hockey decisions? What?
2) be able to understand the business part of it.. CHECK
3) ideally have some tie with the organisation.. CHECK
How much GM experience did Savard had when he took over? Gainey in Minnesota?
Savard didn't have any. But neither did Houle.
Gainey had a year and half of coaching in the NHL and 2 and half years coaching overall before getting the GM job.
The league's also a lot different now than it was back then. While I don't doubt Damphousse knows what's what with the new CBA, he doesn't have any experience being part of a team that has to deal with its implications.
Gainey had a year and half of coaching in the NHL and 2 and half years coaching overall before getting the GM job.
The league's also a lot different now than it was back then. While I don't doubt Damphousse knows what's what with the new CBA, he doesn't have any experience being part of a team that has to deal with its implications.
I would like him to have some experience too but don't people suggest Julien Brisebois as a potential GM because of his understanding of the financial part of the game?
I know he's been involved with hockey teams lately and Damphousse haven't. But has the lawyer really leapfrogged Vincent Damphousse has a hockey mind?
Being fiery is all right, though I think it will be a serious issue in the Montreal media environment.
As for being good. Well, I know he can build and win with some pretty stacked teams. But everything I read about Roy is about how he's passionate and fiery and active and all that. Nothing about how he actually coaches. This is worrisome; it suggests that his coaching skills aren't worth mentioning. Maybe they are, but we're not getting that information, which is why I'm not seeing the attraction.
Are you kidding me? The Montreal media loved Roy as an Habs, as an Avalanche and as a Owner/GM/Coach of the Quebec Ramparts......not sure where you see issues with the media???
He has always been a high representative in the player negotiation. He was V-P when the CBA was signed. He's a pretty intelligent guy who understand the money part of the game.
I don't know I just think he might be our Yzerman.
Then hire him as assistant GM. I don't like the idea of a guy going from the prpverbial street to GM. Stevie Y was assistant in Detroit before going to TB....ands he hasn't exactly set the world on fire in TB with 3-4 all-stars.
I can't deny the possibility of Roy being a good NHL coach behind the Habs bench. If he is a great coach and worthy of the job, I don't see why we would want to crucify him by placing him behind the bench of a such an atrocious line-up.
I also don't see any of our next coaches not having gone through the AHL at some point before getting an NHL job.
you cant move up more than 1 spot, can't fall more than 1 spot, can't fall out of the top 5
Isn't it, you can move up to 4 spots, can only fall down 1.
Technically, the last team has 25% chance of getting the first overall, but since no other team in the lottery can move up more than 4 spots, you get 48% (iirc).
