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01-26-2012, 08:16 AM
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Knecht seems to get no love either.
Osuna will be in Cardona's spot next year.
Pretty remarkable how highly the system is regarded with so few high upside prospects all the way around the infield (granted Lawrie and Escobar are locked in). Aside from Hecchevaria - who still has serious bat questions....which other infield prospect projects to arrive within 3yrs? (only mentionned since I'm reading prospect depth chart analysis and they started around the infield and it's pretty bleak).
Ya most of the teams good infield prospects are way down at like rookie ball.
Dickie Thon, Chino Vega, Matt Dean are 3 guys who I think are pretty solid infield prospects but again are really far away. Yep the heart of our system is definitely players up the middle (C, CF/OF) and SP's. I actually kind of like that seeing some think those are some of the most important positions in the sport.

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Kevin Goldstein is so low on Rasmus he even spelled his name wrong lol! But good stuff there other than his top 25 and under list.

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As a Cards fan, I can tell you Rasmus leaves a whole lot to be desired (as some of you may have already seen). Hope he does well in TO (hometown team - of course I want them to do well) but expectations shouldn't be particularly high (which thankfully I think they're not).

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As a Cards fan, I can tell you Rasmus leaves a whole lot to be desired (as some of you may have already seen). Hope he does well in TO (hometown team - of course I want them to do well) but expectations shouldn't be particularly high (which thankfully I think they're not).
I really just don't like his swing or approach at the plate and I think it has plenty to do with his father being his instructor. Why not just leave it to the professionals?? If he can get his bat back, he could be a very good piece

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I really just don't like his swing or approach at the plate and I think it has plenty to do with his father being his instructor. Why not just leave it to the professionals?? If he can get his bat back, he could be a very good piece
His swing is fantastic. A short quick sweet swing that generates a lot of power. Its one of the better parts about Rasmus. Approach at the plate with the Jays was bad but he has been good with it in his career (9.4% career walk rate)... had 11.8% walk rate last year. Power is there... all the tools are there. He just needs to be a little bit more consistent.

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http://www.thestar.com/sports/baseba...prospects-list

At the bottom of that article it describes Gose as a "can't miss prospect". I was under the impression that he was more of a...high risk high reward type. If the guy can't get on base then his speed isn't all that helpful. And in 2010 he got caught like some ridiculous number of times. 40% or something.

Still seems like a high risk all "tools" no "skills" type prospect to me.

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His swing is fantastic. A short quick sweet swing that generates a lot of power. Its one of the better parts about Rasmus. Approach at the plate with the Jays was bad but he has been good with it in his career (9.4% career walk rate)... had 11.8% walk rate last year. Power is there... all the tools are there. He just needs to be a little bit more consistent.
My thoughts exactly. His swing is one of the best parts of his game. Smooth, yet powerful. His issue with the jays so far, like you said above, is his approach. However, he just switched teams. He's switched batting coaches, and in a completely new environment. I expect him to take a decent sized step forward this year compared to last now that he's a little more comfortable. Maybe not the type of year he had with the cards in 2010, but better than last.

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He does have a fantastic swing as well as just pure natural baseball talent. That's what made him so frustrating to watch in St. Louis for me - couldn't keep it together consistently. Does have ample opportunity to take it up a notch in Toronto.

And his dad's a plug, plain and simple. Just an egomaniac it's not even funny.

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At the bottom of that article it describes Gose as a "can't miss prospect". I was under the impression that he was more of a...high risk high reward type. If the guy can't get on base then his speed isn't all that helpful. And in 2010 he got caught like some ridiculous number of times. 40% or something.

Still seems like a high risk all "tools" no "skills" type prospect to me.
It's probably a little bit of hyperbole, but what else do you expect in the middle of the off-season after all the big guys have contracts?

Though i would love for Gose to be the can't miss guy who figures out how to get on base with freakish frequency.

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At the bottom of that article it describes Gose as a "can't miss prospect". I was under the impression that he was more of a...high risk high reward type. If the guy can't get on base then his speed isn't all that helpful. And in 2010 he got caught like some ridiculous number of times. 40% or something.

Still seems like a high risk all "tools" no "skills" type prospect to me.
Who cares what he did in 2010 when he greatly improved on that aspect in 2011?

Gose is still raw but he was one of the youngest players in the entire league and improved in alot of areas (power, basestealing and defence). Just for comparisons sake Gose and Marisnick are essesntially the same age (7 months difference) and Gose is playing a full 2 levels above. Gose was also strictly asked this season to be ultra aggressive at the plate and try to drive the ball. Lacava recently said just a few weeks ago that they even told him to be very aggressive with 2 strikes and said that once he incorporates a 2 strike approach next season he should get on base much much more. I even think they told him to totally forgot about bunting for basehits which had previously been a big part of his game.

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Who cares what he did in 2010 when he greatly improved on that aspect in 2011?

Gose is still raw but he was one of the youngest players in the entire league and improved in alot of areas (power, basestealing and defence). Just for comparisons sake Gose and Marisnick are essesntially the same age and Gose is playing a full 2 levels above. Gose was also strictly asked this season to be ultra aggressive at the plate and try to drive the ball. Lacava recently said just a few weeks who that they even told him to be very aggressive with 2 strikes and said that once he incorporates a 2 strike approach next season he should get on base much much more. I even think they told him to totally forgot about bunting for basehits which had previously been a big part of his game.
Hey, if he can hit for contact then ya...I think he's probably a "can't miss prospect". His walk rate is already pretty good, he just swings and misses wayyyyyyy too much. If that's a result of his handlers telling him to be aggressive then fine, but the K rate needs to come way down and the average needs to come up a lil before I think you can call him can't miss.

Unless of course they meant "can't miss" as in "he's gonna eventually make the majors no matter what" then ya...I guess. His D and arm will get him a major league gig no matter what. But he won't be a star unless he develops a better approach at the plate.

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Unless of course they meant "can't miss" as in "he's gonna eventually make the majors no matter what" then ya...I guess. His D and arm will get him a major league gig no matter what. But he won't be a star unless he develops a better approach at the plate.
Imagine if he gets a better approach at the plate though, I'm excited already.

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Hey, if he can hit for contact then ya...I think he's probably a "can't miss prospect". His walk rate is already pretty good, he just swings and misses wayyyyyyy too much. If that's a result of his handlers telling him to be aggressive then fine, but the K rate needs to come way down and the average needs to come up a lil before I think you can call him can't miss.

Unless of course they meant "can't miss" as in "he's gonna eventually make the majors no matter what" then ya...I guess. His D and arm will get him a major league gig no matter what. But he won't be a star unless he develops a better approach at the plate.
I guess my point is that hes very advanced for his age. It sounds like they are asking him to improve on certain things and not to worry about other things (like strikeouts). The minors are for development and alot of times these prospects are asked to specifically work on one thing that might not lead to best overall #'s. Like I heard that they asked Asher Wojdsjkdsahda to remove one pitch from his arsenal because they wanted him to improve his other pitchs.

Andrew McCutchen's #'s at age 20 with double AA Altoona
118 games played
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Gose put up better numbers this season at the same age.

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I'm sure BJ fans would be thrilled with that one...

He must be a yankee fan.

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Hey, if he can hit for contact then ya...I think he's probably a "can't miss prospect". His walk rate is already pretty good, he just swings and misses wayyyyyyy too much. If that's a result of his handlers telling him to be aggressive then fine, but the K rate needs to come way down and the average needs to come up a lil before I think you can call him can't miss.

Unless of course they meant "can't miss" as in "he's gonna eventually make the majors no matter what" then ya...I guess. His D and arm will get him a major league gig no matter what. But he won't be a star unless he develops a better approach at the plate.
You can't make any reads on Gose's K rate from last year. The organization has said after they made major changes to his swing going into last season, they told him to use it in any count. So no defensive swings etc when hitting with 2 strikes. That's going to result in way more K's than you'd normally see.

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I would trade for Burnett. I'd send Farquahr to the Yankees, and demand they pay us 20M.

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NO ****. AJ's era has been over 5 in both his last two seasons. Hell his era was just a little batter than the oh so remarkable Jojo Reyes. He'd easily be our worst pitcher. He improved last year going 11 and 11 and was 10 15 the year before. If you can't win pitching for the yankees you have taken huge steps to being really useless. I want no part of AJ even for free being stuck in our rotation for two more years.

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I would trade for Burnett. I'd send Farquahr to the Yankees, and demand they pay us 20M.
Would that 20 million be on top of his salary they must pay in full?

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Would that 20 million be on top of his salary they must pay in full?
I believe his salary is 18, right? So, 20M pays for his salary, and then we get 2 extra mill, just because I feel like it.

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I believe his salary is 18, right? So, 20M pays for his salary, and then we get 2 extra mill, just because I feel like it.
I'd think it's much more appealing to have them pay the 18 per and give the jays an extra 20 on top. No reason to do favours for the yankees without a nice benefit to us. Then AA just drops him from the 40 man roster. With any luck we'd be able to bat against Farqhuar as an added bonus.

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Does anybody know who has the best Fast Ball in our system (minors), I believe we can all agree Morrow has the best Fastball on the staff, right?

To determine the best fastball can you take into account velocity and control.

Noah Syndergaard would be my pick. (92-94mph)

Can anyone throw (96+)

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