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Thomas Hickey, a bust?

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01-30-2012, 06:00 PM
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Okay. I got the Oilers.. aaand..

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Toronto.

Phaneuf for Hickey. Though Probably OP by Toronto.

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01-30-2012, 07:15 PM
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When you have a top 5, or sometimes top 10 pick, you HAVE to go for BPA. When you are out of the top 10. Then you go for organizational needs.
Agreed, and the Kings staff felt Hickey was the BPA and filled a need.

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01-30-2012, 07:20 PM
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Agreed, and the Kings staff felt Hickey was the BPA and filled a need.
I don't recall Lombardi saying that they felt Hickey was the best player available. He did say that they "took a swing" at Hickey hoping he would be a top 2-4 defenseman. Swing and a miss.

Terrible pick then...terrible pick now. As someone else said, just Lombardi thinking he was smarter than everyone else.

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01-30-2012, 07:27 PM
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Hickey was actually drafted 4th overall.

But the 2007 draft sucked. Only Kane is a real star from that 1st round. But I bet the Kings wished they had Alzner instead.
He was considered a MAJOR reach on draft day, he was the big "head scratcher" pick of the draft. The 2007 draft was pretty weak, but there was plenty of talent available, the next 10 picks after Hickey included guys like Couture, McDonagh, Voracek, Alzner, Eller, Shattenkirk, Sam Gagner and Brandon Sutter, any of them would have been a great pick over Hickey. For a 4th overall pick, I would definitely call him a bust, even if he has a decent chance to make the NHL as a bottom pairing guy at some point in the future (in a Chris Tanev type role).

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01-30-2012, 07:30 PM
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He was considered a MAJOR reach on draft day, he was the big head scratcher pick of the draft. The 2007 draft was pretty weak, but there was plenty of talent available, the next 10 picks after Hickey included guys like Couture, McDonagh, Voracek, Alzner, Eller, Shattenkirk, Sam Gagner and Brandon Sutter, any of them would have been a great pick over Hickey. For a 4th overall pick, I would definitely call him a bust, even if he has a decent chance to make the NHL as a bottom pairing guy at some point in the future (in a Chris Tanev type role).
By who? Mckenzie didn't feel like he was and neither did Jarmo Kekelainen by his comments at the 07 Blues draft special.

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01-30-2012, 07:42 PM
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Top prospects always get a cup-of-coffee callup when the injury bug hits. The fact that Hickey hasn't even played one game to get the taste of an NHL game tells you a lot on what management thinks of him.
Except of course, when he is injured as well.

But hey, you like ignoring things like that..right?

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01-30-2012, 07:49 PM
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More long term potential, BPA, same difference. I'm sure Lombardi was afraid another Zyuzin/Morris situation. We will see how it plays out...

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01-30-2012, 08:00 PM
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Except of course, when he is injured as well.

But hey, you like ignoring things like that..right?
Injured for five years?

Sheesh.

He really was a bust then.

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By who? Mckenzie didn't feel like he was and neither did Jarmo Kekelainen by his comments at the 07 Blues draft special.
Hickey was ranked 17th in the ISS Top 30 final ranking, and 26th in the CSS final ranking. And I remember pretty clearly that the pick was seen as a big surprise by most, the feeling was that he was going to get picked around the middle of the first round, not in the top 5 or even top 10.

It was a big reach then, and while he is still only 22, it looks like pretty bad pick right now.

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01-31-2012, 05:49 AM
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Those rankings don't mean anything. Ill go by Mckenzie and a scouts ranking over that crap anyday, Players rise and fall all the time.

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01-31-2012, 06:55 AM
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Those rankings don't mean anything. Ill go by Mckenzie and a scouts ranking over that crap anyday, Players rise and fall all the time.
McKenzie had Hickey ranked 13th and Alzner 4th.

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=7066

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01-31-2012, 02:32 PM
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When you have a top 5, or sometimes top 10 pick, you HAVE to go for BPA. When you are out of the top 10. Then you go for organizational needs.
Don't buy this, sorry. Even look at LA last year, drafting gibson in round 2 with our first pick of the draft. The last thing our organization needs is a goalie.

Maybe in the very late rounds, like 5th and onward, you draft for needs since you are basically throwing darts in the dark to some degree, but other than that you draft the BPA hands down.

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01-31-2012, 03:24 PM
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McKenzie had Hickey ranked 13th and Alzner 4th.

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=7066
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01-31-2012, 03:38 PM
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Mckenzie also said two teams had Hickey top 5 which I was referring to and stated several times. Yawns

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Mckenzie also said two teams had Hickey top 5 which I was referring to and stated several times. Yawns

And 28 other teams didn't.

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Mckenzie also said two teams had Hickey top 5 which I was referring to and stated several times. Yawns
By that logic there can never be a surprise pick.

Guy gets picked higher than almost everyone was expecting? Well, at least one team had him that high.

Guy gets picked lower than almost everyone was expecting? Well, the teams that picked ahead of that spot didn't have him that high.

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01-31-2012, 04:05 PM
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He's not a classic bust yet he can still carve out a decent bottom pairing D-man career. But getting a bottom pairing d-man at 4th overall is obviously a poor decision by an organization. I have trouble seeing that Lombardi passed on Alzner over character issues as well. Alzner captained a Canadian WJC team and is a girlfriends parents wet dream.

Kings fans can argue all they want but at the end of the day Lombardi and co took an unnecessary risk that hasn't paid off and is highly unlikely to.
Alzner wasn't passed on due to character issues. The Kings selected Hickey over Alzner because they felt Hickey was the more dynamic player and like his puck moving ability. Hickey's "good character" was a bonus that made that decision easier.

Remember Hickey was drafted pre-Doughty. If the Kings had ended up with Stamkos instead of Doughty, there is a good chance Hickey would be in the NHL today.


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01-31-2012, 04:13 PM
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Regardless, anyways you slice it, it was a brutal pick. Obviously the Kings( & whomever) had him rated that high. It was a colossal screw up.
Why is there an argument?

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Regardless, anyways you slice it, it was a brutal pick. Obviously the Kings( & whomever) had him rated that high. It was a colossal screw up.
Why is there an argument?
Because players from the 07 draft are just scratching the surface and we have yet to see who will have the best career? I could care less about the pick. They felt he was the BPA and filled a need and it hasn't set them back at all. They still have a ton of depth on defense and if Hickey develops into a 2nd pairing guy it will be icing on the cake.

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Regardless, anyways you slice it, it was a brutal pick. Obviously the Kings( & whomever) had him rated that high. It was a colossal screw up.
Why is there an argument?
In hindsight the Kings would have been better off taking one of the forwards that was available. Lots of GMs swing and miss at the draft. Lombardi was trying to hit a homerun in what many considered to be a weak draft. It happens.

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By that logic there can never be a surprise pick.

Guy gets picked higher than almost everyone was expecting? Well, at least one team had him that high.

Guy gets picked lower than almost everyone was expecting? Well, the teams that picked ahead of that spot didn't have him that high.
Not always the case, just that other teams often have someone on their board that's ranked higher.

Case in point with Ryan Murphy this past draft. Canes had him ranked 5th, and multiple other teams with picks in front of them had him ranked anywhere from 5th-10th. But it came down to everyone else simply having at least one more prospect in front of him.

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Yea, Lombardi doesn't believe in paying your dues lol.
Talk to you next year when Hickey is STILL in the minors.

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Talk to you next year when Hickey is STILL in the minors.
Doubtful. He'd be in EDM top 4

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Mckenzie also said two teams had Hickey top 5 which I was referring to and stated several times. Yawns
Did you or did you not say that you "go by" McKenzie?

McKenzie had Hickey ranked 13th.

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Did you or did you not say that you "go by" McKenzie?

McKenzie had Hickey ranked 13th.
Went by Mckenzie stating 3 teams including the Kings had him in their top 5. Reading is good...

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