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01-25-2012, 10:22 AM
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And all i'm saying that the Habs will not trade Pleks for a hit or miss 5'10 center prospect who we can't even slot in on our team.
On your last line is that a promise.
Tomas Plekanec
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Born Oct 31 1982 -- Kladno, Czech Rep.
Height 5.10 -- Weight 189 -- Shoots L

Jaden Schwartz
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Born Jun 25 1992 -- Wilcox, SASK
Height 5.10 -- Weight 193 -- Shoots L

Schwartz is bigger. He's also considered on of the best prospects out of the NHL. Ranked 17th in the country by HF, seen him higher in other lists. There is no Canadiens on that list for what it's worth.

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01-25-2012, 10:23 AM
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It's not a forever contract as someone said above. The original deal was 6 years $30 million. After this year, there's 4 years left on the deal.

Tomas is one of the best two-way centers in the league. There are few that can put up the points and goals he does, and play as soundly defensively. He eats up huge minutes on one of the best PK units in the league.

His numbers are down a tad this year because he was dragging Cammalleri's sulking ass around for 30 games. He's legitimately a 60 plus point player on a team that preaches defense first. Allowed free reign, I see him getting more.

I'd like to see him better in the face off circle, but that's my only real gripe.

The contract might be marginally high, but only to offset the taxes in Quebec. He's legitimately a $4.5 million player.

Given the organization's apparent desire to get bigger, I don't see Schwartz or Rattie being players on their radar. Perhaps if it were a total gut and rebuild, but it won't be and doesn't need to be.

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01-25-2012, 10:24 AM
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Tomas Plekanec
Center
Born Oct 31 1982 -- Kladno, Czech Rep.
Height 5.10 -- Weight 189 -- Shoots L

Jaden Schwartz
Forward (my note: plays left wing in college)
Born Jun 25 1992 -- Wilcox, SASK
Height 5.10 -- Weight 193 -- Shoots L

Schwartz is bigger. He's also considered on of the best prospects out of the NHL. Ranked 17th in the country by HF, seen him higher in other lists. There is no Canadiens on that list for what it's worth.
Plekanec plays closer to 200lbs. End of season, he might have dropped to 193.

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01-25-2012, 10:26 AM
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It's not a forever contract as someone said above. The original deal was 6 years $30 million. After this year, there's 4 years left on the deal.

Tomas is one of the best two-way centers in the league. There are few that can put up the points and goals he does, and play as soundly defensively. He eats up huge minutes on one of the best PK units in the league.

His numbers are down a tad this year because he was dragging Cammalleri's sulking ass around for 30 games. He's legitimately a 60 plus point player on a team that preaches defense first. Allowed free reign, I see him getting more.

I'd like to see him better in the face off circle, but that's my only real gripe.

The contract might be marginally high, but only to offset the taxes in Quebec. He's legitimately a $4.5 million player.

Given the organization's apparent desire to get bigger, I don't see Schwartz or Rattie being players on their radar. Perhaps if it were a total gut and rebuild, but it won't be and doesn't need to be.
He may only be a $4.5 million player because of taxes, but either way, he'll be a $5 million player here. We already have our Plekanec in Backes, and we preach defense first, here, too.

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01-25-2012, 10:39 AM
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Schwartz is to small. throw in Stewart instead and we may be willing to start talking


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01-25-2012, 10:42 AM
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Schwartz is to small. throw in Steart instead and we may be willing to start talking
While I'd wouldn't be opposed to that trade, saying Schwartz is too small in reference to Plekanec is just silly.

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No thanks, I'd rather keep Schwartz. I'm sure Montreal declines as well. All in all, not a very good proposal, and we should really cut down on the Stl-Mtl trades.

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Blues and Habs aren't good trade partners. I don't like the original trade. Schwartz is highly valued in St. Louis, so I'd rather keep him. Rattie, I'd be willing to package in the right deal though.


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01-25-2012, 11:19 AM
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Pass from Habs POV. I really like Schwartz but am a little lukewarm on Rattie thus far (with minimal TV viewing only), but it's really not about them. Don't offer me any prospects for Plekanec... the Habs need him, he's a core player, signed to a fair longterm deal for what he does, not a player I'd move for pure futures.

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01-25-2012, 03:16 PM
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It's not a forever contract as someone said above. The original deal was 6 years $30 million. After this year, there's 4 years left on the deal.

Tomas is one of the best two-way centers in the league. There are few that can put up the points and goals he does, and play as soundly defensively. He eats up huge minutes on one of the best PK units in the league.

His numbers are down a tad this year because he was dragging Cammalleri's sulking ass around for 30 games. He's legitimately a 60 plus point player on a team that preaches defense first. Allowed free reign, I see him getting more.

I'd like to see him better in the face off circle, but that's my only real gripe.

The contract might be marginally high, but only to offset the taxes in Quebec. He's legitimately a $4.5 million player.

Given the organization's apparent desire to get bigger, I don't see Schwartz or Rattie being players on their radar. Perhaps if it were a total gut and rebuild, but it won't be and doesn't need to be.
Make excuses all you like, but he didn't hit 60 last year, and he probably won't hit 60 this year. Everyone has their circumstances, and he sure as hell wouldn't get free reign on the Blues.

He's also good defensively, but Backes is better in every way and is only being paid 4.5 on the Blues. Taxes in Quebec are irrelevant to this discusion. The bottom line is that if he came to the Blues, he'd have a no-trade clause, would be the highest paid player, and during his "not forever" contract, the Blues would have to re-sign most of their core.

The Blues (especially their scoring line forwards) are so good defensively that this is just not the way to spend their prospects, payroll, and capspace.

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01-25-2012, 04:17 PM
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The Habs have a great fanbase except for this topdog guy, who is as ignorant as they come. Why post about topics/teams you know nothing about?

Blues and Habs aren't good trade partners. I don't like the original trade. Schwartz is highly valued in St. Louis, so I'd rather keep him. Rattie, I'd be willing to package in the right deal though.
Sure i know nothing but every Hab fan in this thread has flatly said no to the proposal.Guess we all know nothing.

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01-25-2012, 04:59 PM
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While I'd wouldn't be opposed to that trade, saying Schwartz is too small in reference to Plekanec is just silly.
wats so hard for you blues fan to understand if we trade pleckanec wer not lookin for a prospect or player of the same size the fact tht hes small is one of the only reasons wer considering trading pleckanec so if u dont wanna trade shwartz to us dont trade him bc we dont really want him

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wats so hard for you blues fan to understand if we trade pleckanec wer not lookin for a prospect or player of the same size the fact tht hes small is one of the only reasons wer considering trading pleckanec so if u dont wanna trade shwartz to us dont trade him bc we dont really want him
Fair enough. No deal from both sides. Close the thread.

Please no more STL/MTL threads. The teams don't match well and the fanbases don't seem to be able to get along either.

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Blues already have Backes who is much better than Pleanec and if Schwartz is hit or miss, I wonder what all the Habs prospects are because he's better than any of the ones currently in your system.

im not so sure about that.

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Tomas Plekanec
Center
Born Oct 31 1982 -- Kladno, Czech Rep.
Height 5.10 -- Weight 189 -- Shoots L

Jaden Schwartz
Forward (my note: plays left wing in college)
Born Jun 25 1992 -- Wilcox, SASK
Height 5.10 -- Weight 193 -- Shoots L

Schwartz is bigger. He's also considered on of the best prospects out of the NHL. Ranked 17th in the country by HF, seen him higher in other lists. There is no Canadiens on that list for what it's worth.
Plekanec is actually 5'11 and about 200 pounds.

I'm definitely surprised Schwartz is 5'10 though. He looked so small at the WJC. When he was playing alongside Gallagher, he only looked about an inch or two taller.

Here it says 5'9 which sounds closer to my observations.

Anyhow, I love Schwartz. I thought he was fantastic in the WJC pre-games, and was a bit disappointed about his play as the tourney went on. But I have no doubt he has the skills, two-way abilities and and character to one day have an impact at the NHL level.

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im not so sure about that.
Maybe not "much", but definitely better. No doubt in my mind.

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How about Bealieu and Kristo for Sobotka?
Is this a joke?

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Yes it is, read the rest of the first page.

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Plekanek is 5'11" and 200 lbs

but no matter, if Plekanec would be moved it would be for a bigger player with similar skills. Not one the same size or smaller

there is a new rule in the Habs organization
as of next draft they will be bringing a tape measure
anything under 6 feet doesn't make the cut

with Desharnais, Gallagher and Diaz as part of the future mix we dont need anymore

and of course we still have Gomez and Gionta to deal with


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The Blues shouldn't trade for the overpaid Petr Cajanek.

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Maybe not "much", but definitely better. No doubt in my mind.

based on age and size I would take Backes over pleks too but go have a look at thier numbers...Almost indentical....

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