Okay fine, you proved that Al MacInnis had more goals in the 90s than Nicklas Lidstrom, who didn't join the NHL until 1992, Paul Coffey, who fell apart after 1996, and Scott Stevens and Chris Chelios, who spent half the decade as defensive defensemen.
And Yet you use:
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-During Park's playoff peak (1972-1978) he was 1st among D in points (153% of 2nd).
-During Park's entire playoff career, (1972-1983, removing first 3 years and last 2), he was 2nd in points among D (79% of Potvin).
-During Park's prime (1970-1978), he was 2nd in points among D (71% of Orr).
-During Park's entire career (1970-1984, removing 1st and last seasons), he was 2nd in points among D (99% of Potvin
One of the most exciting players of any era in National Hockey League was Max Bentley. He was nicknamed "The Dipsy Doodle Dandy" because of the way he zigged and zagged his way through an opposing team "like a scared jackrabbit." Several NHL old timers were quick to compare Wayne Gretzky upon his NHL debut to the electrifying Bentley. Others favor the modern day comparison of Denis Savard or Gilbert Perreault.
Although he was puny at just 5' 8" and 155 pounds, Bentley quickly learned to use his superior skating abilities to survive the rough and tough NHL. He was also brilliant with the puck. He could stickhandle through a maze of players at top speed - a true rarity in any era. He was a deft passer and had a laser like wrist shot.
Okay fine, you proved that Al MacInnis had more goals in the 90s than Nicklas Lidstrom, who didn't join the NHL until 1992, Paul Coffey, who fell apart after 1996, and Scott Stevens and Chris Chelios, who spent half the decade as defensive defensemen.
al macinnis was a horse for his entire career right to the end when he got a eye injury
well many consider him a top 50 player of all time
We all know he had amazing skill and speed and i needed someone at center who could skate with hull and he was considered the best stick handler of his day so in my mind he is def a first liner.
With Leaf Lander selecting Bentley, my conditional deal for the 57th pick falls through. Going by the lists I was left with our next three selections can be made however.
With the 57th pick L'équipe Nationale de France select LW Frank Mahovlich
Hedberg and Vancityluongo are up with the next two picks and Hedberg left a list as well.
The Winnipeg Saints with back to back picks 58 and 59 select forwards Joe Malone and Ted Kennedy
All excellent choices that I would have liked to have on my squad had I been able to move up. Vecens is now up and said earlier he should be making his pick tomorrow morning.
I was completely blown away with his Hart voting record. I thought he had a couple top-5s, but he actually has 7 of the, including 3 top-3s.
While TDMM was right that Brodeur's regular season save percentage is less that spectacular, I was impressed with his play-off save percantage rankings. 9 top-5s is pretty solid.
All excellent choices that I would have liked to have on my squad had I been able to move up. Vecens is now up and said earlier he should be making his pick tomorrow morning.
I did the Bobby Orr/Joe Malone thing in my first full ATD and it worked out really well for me. Malone isn't the easiest guy to build around, but I thought Orr made it a lot easier.
Really interested to see what Hedberg/VCL do with the Malone/Kennedy duo.
With the 57th pick L'équipe Nationale de France select LW Frank Mahovlich
Thank You for making my selection BBS. I really thought LL would pick a Maple Leaf, and I was right, I just forgot that Max Bentley was also on the board! I hope you can still select the player you wanted, but for my part I'm very happy with getting Frank Mahovlich. A 9-time All-Star (3FAST, 6SAST), 6 time Stanley Cup Winner. Definitely one of the most talented player to ever graze the surface of an ice hockey rink. As someone told me via PM: All Frank wanted was to play offense from time to time! Which we will with us ..... which he will!
I was completely blown away with his Hart voting record. I thought he had a couple top-5s, but he actually has 7 of the, including 3 top-3s.
While TDMM was right that Brodeur's regular season save percentage is less that spectacular, I was impressed with his play-off save percantage rankings. 9 top-5s is pretty solid.
If you consider the fact that NJ's home shot counter apparently slept through large portions of every game before the lockout, Brodeur's save percentages are actually very good.
IIRC, Brodeur has more top 5 finishes for the Hart than any other goalie ever - yet he never finished top 2 - he has a ton of 3rd-5th place finishes. Great example of Brodeur's consistently high standard of play, without having quite the peak of some other goalies.
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If you consider the fact that NJ's home shot counter apparently slept through large portions of every game before the lockout, Brodeur's save percentages are actually very good.
IIRC, Brodeur has more top 5 finishes for the Hart than any other goalie ever - yet he never finished top 2 - he has a ton of 3rd-5th place finishes. Great example of Brodeur's consistently high standard of play, without having quite the peak of some other goalies.
Marty's consistency and longevity make him a great ATD goalie.
He is kind of like Lidstrom in that his peak isn't quite as high all around as some of the other greats - but he was just great and level for so long.
And you're right that his puck handling can be a definite asset compared to the other top goalies.
probably will not be huge, but some very good information about cleghorn was posted by tarheel and overpass in top 60 d-men project, and this post by tarheel summarizes very well the problems with common view of sprague cleghorn.
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But the larger point I'm trying to make, is that his contemporaries didn't talk about him as "Sprague Cleghorn, the guy who injures everybody's best player". They knew him as a startlingly fast puck-rusher with an impeccable sense of timing at both ends of the ice, a natural intelligence for creating open ice on the rush, a shot apparently as hard as anyone's at the time with considerable elevation and accuracy, and a general sense of assertiveness and strength that seems to have simply bowled over anyone short of a Clancy or Lalonde type of opponent. How many defenseman on our list can legitimately be described as elite at both ends of the ice starting in their early 20s and continuing almost unabated until their late 30s? That's what people knew Cleghorn for at the time, not so much for the colorful accounts of his trips to the police station.
top 60 project lists sprague cleghorn's jersey number as #6, but i think that is wrong. SIHR does not list 6 for him. he wore 1, 2 and 3 and probably no number early in his career.
Just made a bio on Charlie Conacher, without extensively searching that's the information I could find, if anybody has any other information worth sharing about Conacher I'd appreciate it!
Just made a bio on Charlie Conacher, without extensively searching that's the information I could find, if anybody has any other information worth sharing about Conacher I'd appreciate it!
you could also include a simple table of stats during conacher's prime. '30 was strange b/c of the new rules, but from '31-'36, conacher led the NHL in points, goals, points per game and goals per game by wide margins.
Apparently I'm being too negative about guys being drafted.
Would have been nice to be told directly that I was unnecessarily ruffling feathers, rather than hear that an anonymous GM complained to another mod about me and that apparently other anonymous GMs agreed.
I'll refrain from commenting about other teams until lineup assassinations, if I choose to do them.
Apparently I'm being too negative about guys being drafted.
Would have been nice to be told directly that I was unnecessarily ruffling feathers, rather than hear that an anonymous GM complained to another mod about me and that apparently other anonymous GMs agreed.
I'll refrain from commenting about other teams until lineup assassinations, if I choose to do them.
I wouldn't be discouraged, TDMM. It's sometimes personal preference on players, I don't think you're being too critical. It sparks good debate when somebody underestimates a drafted player, that's how we learn more about them. The best the owner of the player can do is prove that the player is worth more credit than given by the manager who questioned the player.
Apparently I'm being too negative about guys being drafted.
Would have been nice to be told directly that I was unnecessarily ruffling feathers, rather than hear that an anonymous GM complained to another mod about me and that apparently other anonymous GMs agreed.
I'll refrain from commenting about other teams until lineup assassinations, if I choose to do them.
I'm finding often you're saying what I'm thinking. I don't see why people are that sensitive; it's good to get discussion going.
Apparently I'm being too negative about guys being drafted.
Would have been nice to be told directly that I was unnecessarily ruffling feathers, rather than hear that an anonymous GM complained to another mod about me and that apparently other anonymous GMs agreed.
I'll refrain from commenting about other teams until lineup assassinations, if I choose to do them.
If you are referring to last night, I have no problem with the banter back and forth. Vecens PM'd about who the XXXX was and in the process I asked him what your deal was. I wasn't compalining or asking that you stop giving your opinion on things, just a question.
It's a tough wire to walk when debating players with Mods who are also GM's. I ended up getting penalized becasue of it and i'm still leery of what can and can't be said in these discussions.
Not complaining by anymeans, in the end this is the internet. I was making a general comment about hyprocritical behaviour by several GM's.
EDIT: I guess he is not referring to me.
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Apparently I'm being too negative about guys being drafted.
Would have been nice to be told directly that I was unnecessarily ruffling feathers, rather than hear that an anonymous GM complained to another mod about me and that apparently other anonymous GMs agreed.
I'll refrain from commenting about other teams until lineup assassinations, if I choose to do them.
I actually like feedback like this right after a selection...you're going to hear it eventually, better now when you have time to try to do some research and prove the person wrong or adjust your draft strategy to compensate for a weakness than waiting until the lineup assassinations or the playoffs.
Fine if you want to leave those other guys alone, but my picks are fair game to all...
Apparently I'm being too negative about guys being drafted.
Would have been nice to be told directly that I was unnecessarily ruffling feathers, rather than hear that an anonymous GM complained to another mod about me and that apparently other anonymous GMs agreed.
I'll refrain from commenting about other teams until lineup assassinations, if I choose to do them.
C'mon, who cares about what anonymous GMs say. Anonymous GMs like to oversell their players and put down other players if it helps the argument, so i'd say if anonymous GMs can't take the critisism to hell with them.
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It's a tough wire to walk when debating players with Mods who are also GM's. I ended up getting penalized becasue of it and i'm still leery of what can and can't be said in these discussions.
Well you certainly weren't trying to walk any wire when you said my MOD status has gone to my head.
Anyway, our conversation last night was unforunate. The "cherrypicking of stats" is something that is unfortunately creeping into the repetoire of all the GMs here, myself included, and I shouldn't have singled you out. Especially when, now that I got a full night's sleep, your initial comment was more of a "fun fact" than a real attempt at comparison.
