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01-25-2012, 12:52 PM
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having niity last season really helped greiss and his development, imho. even if he is lost for nothing in return, he at least provided that in his time with the team.
How did having Niittymaki in San Jose help Greiss' development on the other side of the planet?

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I know it's illogical, and we all have these great hopes of who it will be, but in the back of my mind I have this fear he's going to go after Semin heh.
We all know the Sharks don't have many assets so if Semin is cheap for a UFA, then meh, sure, I guess.

All comes down to the "price" DW pays for said top 6 forward.

On Semin, though, I just don't see how the Sharks re-sign him so that contradicts whatever Drew said the other night.

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01-25-2012, 12:53 PM
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I'm sure we'll send McCarthy, Wingels and possibly even waive Ferriero to make room for returning players. I doubt Niitty was related to that, more likely to 1) Do the right thing and 2) Clear a contract spot and cap space for a top-6 player.

I know it's illogical, and we all have these great hopes of who it will be, but in the back of my mind I have this fear he's going to go after Semin heh.
Come on! You know he doesn't do Russians. It will probably be a Wallin-type for a 2nd.

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01-25-2012, 12:56 PM
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Come on! You know he doesn't do Russians. It will probably be a Wallin-type for a 2nd.
hehe yah, I said, it's illogical. It's just like an itch you can't scratch you know, won't go away.

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We all know the Sharks don't have many assets so if Semin is cheap for a UFA, then meh, sure, I guess.

All comes down to the "price" DW pays for said top 6 forward.

On Semin, though, I just don't see how the Sharks re-sign him so that contradicts whatever Drew said the other night.
What Drew said is that DW won't go for rental players, but I really think that Drew meant to say (or should have said) is that DW won't trade a first round pick for a rental anymore, a la Campbell or Guerin. There's a big difference there.

Funny thing about that Ask the Crew with Randy and Drew segment is that the question was Who should the Sharks go after at the trade deadline and Drew did not name one person (or one person who resembles the type of player) that the Sharks should go after.

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I really hope this doesn't keep us from spending to the cap if he goes unclaimed.
If he's unclaimed, he can be assigned to AHL, freeing up $2m (prorated) cap space and a NHL roster spot.

(Paying his salary for the rest of the season only impacts the budget.)

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How did having Niittymaki in San Jose help Greiss' development on the other side of the planet?
because he played more than he would have in SJ, realized his NHL career was in trouble and that he had to refocus and work on his game.

proved to SJ he had what they originally saw in him and got his contract as a UFA.

just how i see it of course.

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hehe yah, I said, it's illogical. It's just like an itch you can't scratch you know, won't go away.
Same here, when LeBrun said that DW is talking to teams about a top six forward, Semin popped into mind. Forget whether we have the requisite assets, who else that would be a top six on the Sharks is even available? The other guys like Getzlaf, Ryan, Nash, etc probably are way out of our price range. Semin just lingers there, even in spite of DW being so anti-Russian.

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01-25-2012, 01:08 PM
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With Niitty waived, Sharks have about $4m in cap space available with everyone healthy ($3.8m)

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($2.875m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m)
Jamie McGinn ($0.680m) / Michal Handzus ($2.500m) / Torrey Mitchell ($1.366m)
Brad Winchester ($0.725m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.540m) / Andrew Murray ($0.575m)
James Sheppard ($0.725m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Dan Boyle ($6.666m)
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Brent Burns ($5.760m)
Jason Demers ($1.250m) / Colin White ($1.000m)
Jim Vandermeer ($1.000m) / Justin Braun ($0.875m)

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.587m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,050,833; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,249,167

That's off because of Burns and Coutures raises that kick in next season. If you subtract the difference you get about 3.8m. That also gives you an idea what we can afford next season, depending on changes and cap.

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01-25-2012, 01:10 PM
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If he's unclaimed, he can be assigned to AHL, freeing up $2m (prorated) cap space and a NHL roster spot.

(Paying his salary for the rest of the season only impacts the budget.)
I should have been more clear. That is what I meant - does/could this affect the budget?

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This move is clearly a precursor to something bigger. Ruutu! Ruutu! Ruutu!

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because he played more than he would have in SJ, realized his NHL career was in trouble and that he had to refocus and work on his game.

proved to SJ he had what they originally saw in him and got his contract as a UFA.

just how i see it of course.
He sucked in Sweden. That didn't help his development. They gave him that contract because Niittymaki was not healthy again.

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If he's unclaimed, he can be assigned to AHL, freeing up $2m (prorated) cap space and a NHL roster spot.

(Paying his salary for the rest of the season only impacts the budget.)
IIRC his contract will still count towards the 50 (or something?) limit if he's assigned to AHL.

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01-25-2012, 01:25 PM
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because he played more than he would have in SJ, realized his NHL career was in trouble and that he had to refocus and work on his game.

proved to SJ he had what they originally saw in him and got his contract as a UFA.

just how i see it of course.
If it weren't for the Niittymaki signing, Greiss would have at least been part of a platoon arrangement in net to start the 10-11 season if not the outright starter (depending on whether or not Niemi or a different goalie had been acquired). Greiss was horrendous in Sweden - .901 SV% while his backup (who ended up playing in 21 games) posted a 0.917.

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If it weren't for the Niittymaki signing, Greiss would have at least been part of a platoon arrangement in net to start the 10-11 season if not the outright starter (depending on whether or not Niemi or a different goalie had been acquired). Greiss was horrendous in Sweden - .901 SV% while his backup (who ended up playing in 21 games) posted a 0.917.
stats are not always everything my friend. i still think the year helped him. if it helped more than being in SJ? we shall never know, but i do like it when players are faced with being out of the league and have to work to get back.

he was not just handed a contract because of all the injuries in net for the SJ system. he was given one because they knew him and they liked what he worked on with his game. the injuries certainly played a role, but so did greiss.

i will be arriving in California for a visit about the time Niity clears. I will be watching my phone for updates on if he gets claimed!

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Hope he is claimed, at least I'll be able to see him play...

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stats are not always everything my friend. i still think the year helped him. if it helped more than being in SJ? we shall never know, but i do like it when players are faced with being out of the league and have to work to get back.

he was not just handed a contract because of all the injuries in net for the SJ system. he was given one because they knew him and they liked what he worked on with his game. the injuries certainly played a role, but so did greiss.

i will be arriving in California for a visit about the time Niity clears. I will be watching my phone for updates on if he gets claimed!
I don't know where you get that Greiss was given a contract offer based on what you say it is but it isn't a coincidence that Niittymaki was hurt when they signed him and that Greiss' first year on his contract was a two-way. To be fair, part of it was also that Alex Stalock was hurt too.

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This isn't surprising. I can't see teams lining up to give up assets for a goalie coming off an injury, with a history of injuries, who hasn't played this year, and who they know the Sharks just can't sit on waiting for a deal that will never come.

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If he's unclaimed, he can be assigned to AHL, freeing up $2m (prorated) cap space and a NHL roster spot.

(Paying his salary for the rest of the season only impacts the budget.)

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the Sharks better hope Niemi doesnt get injured the rest of the season.

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the Sharks better hope Niemi doesnt get injured the rest of the season.
Do you hate Germans?

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I believe in Greiss. Not that I want or expect Niemi to get hurt, though.

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Greiss is the worst backup goaltender in the NHL, by far. And no, I don't particularly hate german players, just they dont exactly have a history of putting out the most talented players to play in the NHL, know what I mean.

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Greiss is the worst backup goaltender in the NHL, by far. And no, I don't particularly hate german players.
Uhhh what are you basing that off? Clearly not his stats or play.

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Greiss is the worst backup goaltender in the NHL, by far. And no, I don't particularly hate german players.
There is no evidence to support your claim.

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