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01-25-2012, 02:07 PM
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Yah, he's a BACKUP. Most BACKUPS face lower competition. So now your saying he's the worst backup in the league, even though he has better stats than most backups in the league, because he faced lower competition, like most every other backup in the league.
But but but ... other backups face the SHARKS
Oh wait that's actually good for stats. Huh.

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01-25-2012, 02:07 PM
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http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo.../thomas-greiss

look at the teams he's faced, with the exception of Pittsburgh, those arent exactly offensive juggernauts.

as for career numbers, 23 games is not a real big sample size, especially for someone who tends to only start against weak teams
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This is where you have a valid argument (regarding hoping Niemi doesn't get hurt) - no way Greiss is the worst back up in the league.

I worry about Niemi getting hurt as well because Greiss hasn't exactly been tested this season and doesn't have very many NHL games played but not because he's not a good goalie. He's going to start facing much tougher comp coming up, hopefully he'll continue to play as well as he has all season.

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01-25-2012, 02:09 PM
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Yah, he's a BACKUP. Most BACKUPS face lower competition. So now your saying he's the worst backup in the league, even though he has better stats than most backups in the league, because he faced lower competition, like most every other backup in the league.
http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo...1165/alex-auld

and people say this guy isnt very good either, Pittsburgh, Philly, Vancouver, Washington. that's not lower competition. and those are some pretty decent stats.

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This is where you have a valid argument - not that Greiss is the worst back up in the league.

I worry about Niemi getting hurt as well because Greiss hasn't exactly been tested this season and doesn't have very many NHL games played but not because he's not a good goalie.
There are very few teams in the league who wouldn't be screwed if their starting goalie went down.

Vancouver, Philly, Boston, LA (arguably), St. Louis, Minnesota, and Washington are about the only ones I can think of. That's just the nature of the beast in the salary cap era.

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01-25-2012, 02:11 PM
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http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo...1165/alex-auld

and people say this guy isnt very good either, Pittsburgh, Philly, Vancouver, Washington. that's not lower competition. and those are some pretty decent stats.
How does that make Greiss the worst backup in the league again? Didn't you just sort of prove my point?

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01-25-2012, 02:12 PM
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http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo...1165/alex-auld

and people say this guy isnt very good either, Pittsburgh, Philly, Vancouver, Washington. that's not lower competition. and those are some pretty decent stats.
And what are his results?

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01-25-2012, 02:13 PM
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http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo...1165/alex-auld

and people say this guy isnt very good either, Pittsburgh, Philly, Vancouver, Washington. that's not lower competition. and those are some pretty decent stats.
If those are decent stats then Greiss is in the running for the Vezina

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01-25-2012, 02:15 PM
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Niittymäki to MTV3: "I'm on waivers? Nobody told me anything or called me." Was driving to Lake Tahoe with his family. #NHL #Sharks

@tomppaaax
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Niittymäki: "It's not a surprise. There was some talk yesterday. I'm glad they did it and are trying to do something." #NHL #Sharks

@tomppaaax
Matias Strozyk
Niittymäki: "I don't want to be in this organization at all anymore, nothing wrong with city. Glad they did it, hope somebody picks me up."

@tomppaaax
Matias Strozyk
Niittymäki: "I'm not the hottest name in market and my salary isn't on my side either. 2M is big money for someone who hasn't played much."
Yikes. The third tweet.

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01-25-2012, 02:17 PM
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Yikes. The third tweet.
That third tweet is probably a big reason why he didn't get played at all. When you have an attitude like that you usually don't get jobs.

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01-25-2012, 02:17 PM
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There are very few teams in the league who wouldn't be screwed if their starting goalie went down.

Vancouver, Philly, Boston, LA (arguably), St. Louis, Minnesota, and Washington are about the only ones I can think of. That's just the nature of the beast in the salary cap era.
Really? Thought it would just be the Sharks

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01-25-2012, 02:18 PM
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Damn, Nitty. Can't fault him at all for feeling that way. And no one notified him when he was put on waivers? Huh.

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01-25-2012, 02:21 PM
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That third tweet is probably a big reason why he didn't get played at all. When you have an attitude like that you usually don't get jobs.
Agreed.

But in all fairness we dont know if this was more of an impulsive response or if he had been that attitude was there even before he was waived. He does admit that his salary is a problem.

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01-25-2012, 02:22 PM
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He's gonna clear. I don't know why anyone would want him at 2 million, especially since he's never really been a great goalie.

Personally I think we should have done an NHL 12 trade with him, for example, Antero Niittymaki for Mika Zibanejad and 2nd round draft pick. I love that game.

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01-25-2012, 02:24 PM
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lol, I'm gonna play some Be A GM today. I started with the Oilers, got FIRED and went to Colorado. My Colorado lineup is kind of insane. Top line is Vanek-Duchene-Ryan to give you an idea haha

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He's gonna clear. I don't know why anyone would want him at 2 million, especially since he's never really been a great goalie.

Personally I think we should have done an NHL 12 trade with him, for example, Antero Niittymaki for Mika Zibanejad and 2nd round draft pick. I love that game.
I hope he does. For his sake too because after the comments he made about the organization ..

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TB beat writer tweeted he does not think the Bolt will be in it, but you never know.


As for assigning to AHL... I'm sure the Sharks can find an organization willing to take him so he does not go to Worcester.

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01-25-2012, 02:25 PM
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Wonder what doug wilson wants to do with an aditional 2 mill in our capspace? Its possible that a trade partner could have been found but didnt want niittymaki so sharks waived him for cap space

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and people say this guy isnt very good either, Pittsburgh, Philly, Vancouver, Washington. that's not lower competition. and those are some pretty decent stats.
Those actually aren't decent stats. .879 SV% for Auld? 3.57 GAA? Never mind, this is ridiculous. I'll just let you ramble nonsense.

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That third tweet is probably a big reason why he didn't get played at all. When you have an attitude like that you usually don't get jobs.
He's had the 'tude ever since Niemi got the extension. Reading his comments from that point on has always made me kind of uncomfortable.

I do feel bad for him though. He signed the contract, suddenly had to compete with Niemi for the starting position, then got injured and lost his chance, came back, got injured again, never got to play when he came back the second time. Then this offseason, has to get surgery and is out for half the season thus losing the BACKUP position to Greiss, and even when he's finally healthy, he only gets to play in Worcester, where he gets sent twice!

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How does that make Greiss the worst backup in the league again? Didn't you just sort of prove my point?
do you want me to go through every single team to do so?

ok then

Anaheim: http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/_/id/2171/dan-ellis: note: Vancouver, LA, Chicago, & Nashville, hardly low quality opponents
Boston: http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo...05/tuukka-rask arguably the best backup in the league
Buffalo: http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/_/id/5042/jhonas-enroth better numbers against higher quality opponents with one of the worst defenses playing in front of him
Calgary: http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo.../leland-irving 4 games, 2 against quality opponents, one of his against boston totally screws his stats
Carolina: http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo.../justin-peters 2 games against 2 quality opponents
Chicago: http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo...1647/ray-emery
Colorado: no real defined backup/starter
Columbus: no real defined backup/starter
Dallas: http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo...ichard-bachman some sick numbers against even quality opponents
Detroit: http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo...232/ty-conklin kinda mediocre numbers, but still faced harder opponents than Greiss
Edmonton: http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo...2/devan-dubnyk nice numbers
Florida: http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo...ott-clemmensen more sick numbers against quality teams
LA: http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo...nathan-bernier decent
Minnesota: http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo...4/josh-harding very nice

i'm just gonna give up there, you get my point by now


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lol, I'm gonna play some Be A GM today. I started with the Oilers, got FIRED and went to Colorado. My Colorado lineup is kind of insane. Top line is Vanek-Duchene-Ryan to give you an idea haha
Why were you fired?

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Those actually aren't decent stats. .879 SV% for Auld? 3.57 GAA? Never mind, this is ridiculous. I'll just let you ramble nonsense.
Wow, I didn't click the link but THOSE are what Bizz called "decent stats"? Those are...not...decent. Those are bad.

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Why were you fired?
Well I didn't have the time or patience to play every game myself, so I simmed a bunch and figured "Eh, if they don't do well I'll make a big trade or something and be really good next season", but they missed the playoffs so I was sent packing. Had like four offers though and I figured Colorado had a pretty decent core to start with.

And btw it was my second year with EDM when I got fired.

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He's had the 'tude ever since Niemi got the extension. Reading his comments from that point on has always made me kind of uncomfortable.

I do feel bad for him though. He signed the contract, suddenly had to compete with Niemi for the starting position, then got injured and lost his chance, came back, got injured again, never got to play when he came back the second time. Then this offseason, has to get surgery and is out for half the season thus losing the BACKUP position to Greiss, and even when he's finally healthy, he only gets to play in Worcester, where he gets sent twice!
This org has never really treated goalies at the NHl level all that well. Didn't offer Nabby a contract, or so much as an explanation. Sent Greiss to Europe, signed Niemi after already promising the starting job to Niitty...

Can't really blame him.

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Damn, Nitty. Can't fault him at all for feeling that way. And no one notified him when he was put on waivers? Huh.
Yup, if I played for a team who has no intention to play me whatsoever, I would be pretty pissed off too and would welcome a new team with open arms.

Hopefully he can get back to his old form and secure a place in this league for next year.

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