I hope JT or Moulson put him up for the summer & he trains with them. Or more specifically, train with the same powerskating coach JT trained with.
His skating isn't terrible, but it could use a lot of improvement.
Look at you all being on topic. Are you trying to set an example or something?
...and let's hope that our hopes are also the hopes of those that have a say in the outcome. JT has made great strides (pun not really intended, but it's there); Martin has made great strides. Nino has progressed within the season, so I have a good feeling about him taking that next step (I can't even avoid these if I wanted to) with his training in the off-season. (I always go back and forth between my desire to use "offseason" and "off-season". Anyone else have a preference?)
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Mitch
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Reason: added the "wink" to make sure my being playful was obvious
Look at you all being on topic. Are you trying to set an example or something?
...and let's hope that our hopes are also the hopes of those that have a say in the outcome. JT has made great strides (pun not really intended, but it's there); Martin has made great strides. Nino has progressed within the season, so I have a good feeling about him taking that next step (I can't even avoid these if I wanted to) with his training in the off-season. (I always go back and forth between my desire to use "offseason" and "off-season". Anyone else have a preference?)
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Mitch
I tend to just post what I want to say & then read/mod the thread afterwards. and I see that someone mentioned him training with JT. It would be a great idea. I'm sure he'd like to go back home, but training with JT, Moulson & presumably Strome would be very good for him. Maybe I just don't see it, but everyone says that he's a bad skater. I don't see a bad skater. I see someone who needs improvement, but I don't think it's his skating that is the reason he only has 1 goal this year. It has more to do with confidence & a lack of PP time.
It really wouldn't be the worst idea in the world to park him infront of the net on a couple of power plays per game. Maybe a few garbage goals would do wonders for his confidence, which definitely has been on the rise.
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...and here I thought an angel was getting its wings.
I've used that quote a ton and it came out of my trap not three hours ago in jest
Quote:
NYI Part VI: Old is New and New is Old Again
or...
NYI Episode VI: A New Old Hope and an Old New Hope
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Mitch
P.S. I was thinking of putting "A Goalie's Tale" or something like that after the first one. It didn't occur to me that it had a bit of a Tolkienesque feel to it until after I first posted it. Maybe someone else can make something funny out of it.
The Horriblit
The Lord of the Milsteins
The Two Owners
The Return of the Ring
The Jon Simarillian is a good one if you get really into it.
I tend to just post what I want to say & then read/mod the thread afterwards. and I see that someone mentioned him training with JT. It would be a great idea. I'm sure he'd like to go back home, but training with JT, Moulson & presumably Strome would be very good for him. Maybe I just don't see it, but everyone says that he's a bad skater. I don't see a bad skater. I see someone who needs improvement, but I don't think it's his skating that is the reason he only has 1 goal this year. It has more to do with confidence & a lack of PP time.
It really wouldn't be the worst idea in the world to park him infront of the net on a couple of power plays per game. Maybe a few garbage goals would do wonders for his confidence, which definitely has been on the rise.
Tavares and Moulson training with Nino and Strohm and Bailey.....in Toronto. That'd be sweet. The organization couldn't screw them up.
Or would Wang/Snow try and co opt the event this year? (and wasn't it two summers ago?)
I don't like how they handled Bailey, and I don't like how they're handling Neidereitter. The NHL is not a placed to "learn on the job." - He should be back in junior and refining his shortcomings. I don't care if Garth Snow is a "professional", and I'd not care about "being a man of his word" - they are hurting this kid, just like they hurt Bailey, and Bailey isn't over it yet, either. He still has quite a long way to go after four years. Horribly done. Just horribly done.
This. The NHL isn't where you learn the ropes. That's what juniors/college and the AHL is for. You play in the NHL when you're ready. There's a reason why most franchises in the NHL make their young prospect EARN a spot on the roster.
Why doesn't Capuano put Neiderreiter with better line-mates when games are already out of reach. The game is a lost cause, so get something out of it, and get the younger guys some better game experience and see who might have some chemistry. What's the worst that happens? They score a goal?
This. The NHL isn't where you learn the ropes. That's what juniors/college and the AHL is for. You play in the NHL when you're ready. There's a reason why most franchises in the NHL make their young prospect EARN a spot on the roster.
Myself, I would have sent Nino to the W, if only to not burn a year of his ELC.
However, my preference from a simple development POV, would be
1- Play in the AHL
2- Play on a kid line in the NHL
3- Play in the WHL
Based on the rules that prevent him from being in the A, I prefer him with us for development, however I would not pair him with older vets like Capuano has done.
I tend to just post what I want to say & then read/mod the thread afterwards. and I see that someone mentioned him training with JT. It would be a great idea. I'm sure he'd like to go back home, but training with JT, Moulson & presumably Strome would be very good for him. Maybe I just don't see it, but everyone says that he's a bad skater. I don't see a bad skater. I see someone who needs improvement, but I don't think it's his skating that is the reason he only has 1 goal this year. It has more to do with confidence & a lack of PP time.
It really wouldn't be the worst idea in the world to park him infront of the net on a couple of power plays per game. Maybe a few garbage goals would do wonders for his confidence, which definitely has been on the rise.
I was just playing around, but I've noted the description of your behavior and will now find ways to break the rules without detection.
I actually think that "good" and "bad" skating is tossed about an awful lot, but doesn't always contain a description of what we mean by it.
I think the best way to describe skating is the "ease at which" someone skates. You have guys with natural and graceful strides that get a lot of momentum out of less exertion (due to needing less strides to achieve higher speeds.) Then you have the guys with less natural grace and different mechanics (and differing gaits) who have to develop power and stamina instead. There are other aspects such as balance and agility (turning), and the ability to skate backwards that also come into play.
The reason why I call PAP a terrible skater is not because he can't achieve a decent top speed, but because of the amount of pumps it takes him to get there. PAP's stride is not powerful, so he doesn't have acceleration when starting from a stop (which was the big problem in the offensive zone when he was on the JT line.) PAP isn't strong on his skates in battles on the boards. PAP falls over backwards more than any other player on the team. It's only through sheer will that he gets anywhere at all. Amazingly, he actually has improved since he's gotten here, but it's still noticeable. I'm curious how much more work he can put into it. Compare that to Nielsen who gets everywhere with little effort and skates backwards like he plays defense. Nielsen has great balance, great east-west mobility, good acceleration and a good top speed. Unfortunately, he lacks mass and that will never allow him to fully develop that speed and acceleration into enough power to make a difference in the physical areas of the game.
Some people probably think that Blake Comeau was a great skater. He really wasn't. He also suffered from balance and falling over backwards. He could turn left with ease, but he'd often fall over turning to the right. He did have a little bit of power in his first couple of steps, and he could keep his top speed going with relative ease, but his skating was still flawed at best. It was his ability to achieve a decent top speed and keep it going that mattered, but his poor turning to one side and balance issues were all the more reason why he should develop a simple north-south game.
Now, people say that JT "had to work on his skating" when he got here. He really, really did. The reason why his play has evolved is because JT now has a powerful first two strides. He gets up to his top speed quickly in practically two steps, and he can get a burst of speed from a glide or a standstill just as easily. He stops and starts well. He's still not totally steady at a standstill, but it's amazing how much he has improved over his first two seasons.
Brian Rolston used to be a great skater. I don't think he'd even be in the NHL still if that wasn't the case (and it's borderline whether he should be at all at this point.) The fact that his stride, which is rather graceful and doesn't require a ton of effort, is still tiring him down pretty much means the end of his career for me. He becomes sluggish and lacking effort far too early in many shifts. It could be an injury that is painful and is nagging him, but I don't think it matters at this point. He'll have some decent physical moments on a shift, but it seems like everything takes a lot out of him. His lack of mobility early in a shift basically takes away his ability to get open if he's been active at all. You'll see his best stuff when he's skating the puck into the zone and getting an uncontested shot off. He'll get in on a forecheck early in a shift and be effective. He'll glide in late off of a change and get the puck in open ice and fire it. Sadly, he isn't hitting any corners or getting enough rebounds off his heavy shot. (Which pretty much means he's had little to no effectiveness as an offensive player.)
Matt Martin had the same problem at PAP when he got here. He didn't have the power in his legs to move his mass. Now, he's developed those first two steps a bit. Martin has a tremendous amount of stamina that he's built up, but he'll always be working hard out there. However, that burst of speed is really important on the PK and he's actually beaten guys wide this year (which he could never have done when he first arrived.)
Nino looked like he was skating in sand at the beginning of the season in much the same way. The impressive part is that he's already developing some power in his first couple of steps by this point in the season. It leads me to believe that he probably has gained a bit of strength to this point, but also that they might have made a mechanical change to his skating. If I had tape of just him on the ice for all of his game, I'd bet you could identify and measure the differences from the start of the season until now. The most noticeable change to me so far is actually that he can get to places quicker and that allows him to use his body better. He's a big kid at such an early stage of his career (and life). If he improves like JT or Martin and can continue to develop that power in his strides along with the stamina to keep using it, he'll be a very noticeable player in a short amount of time. I wouldn't place any bets against this kid developing a power game sooner rather than later.
I figured that going into the other players might be helpful for those who were curious about this type of thing and braved my entire post. Not to mention, it might be helpful in comparing and contrasting other players to Nino himself. I may not be teaching anyone anything, but perhaps there's a nugget of knowledge somewhere embedded in here (along with more than a few brain farts and typos to start.)
Why doesn't Capuano put Neiderreiter with better line-mates when games are already out of reach. The game is a lost cause, so get something out of it, and get the younger guys some better game experience and see who might have some chemistry. What's the worst that happens? They score a goal?
The only reason I can think of that would exonerate Cappy on this is simply that Nino is still learning defensive positioning. Martin has greatly improved, but it isn't his strong point either. (Working on the PK has definitely helped his ability to look around the ice, but 5-on-5 isn't the same.) Bailey is very heady without the puck, but perhaps they don't want to overburden him. Rolston might suck getting to places midway through a shift, but he does know where he's supposed to be. To me, it's probably a wash at that point; I really don't see why, especially in games that are no longer contested as you suggest, that Nino isn't given some time to play with more talented players. With that said, Nino probably has only really deserved the extra look in recent history.
I actually think Nino been noticeable enough to deserve a start on the 3rd line with Bailey and Martin for a couple of games. Bailey and Martin deserve it, too. Rolston just isn't effective enough as an offensive player and his linemates are sometimes creating chances that are ending up in a black hole.
Ullstrom probably deserved to get back up here in that slot, but there's no room with Rolston starting. It probably can't hurt Ullstrom to get a bit more bulk anyways, so if he's overripe when he finally returns, it's not the worst thing in the world. (Assuming he stays down for the rest of the season. Rolston's roster spot also conveniently opens up before next season.)
"Similarillian" is priceless and it's always fun to read mitchy's posts.
I didn't catch this post until now.
Thank you (said honestly, not sarcastically), glad I'm not just filling up HFBoards with a lot of words that nobody is reading. With that said, I am hoping to accomplish the feat of creating one post that takes up an entire thread page some day.
May as well add something...
I liked how Rhett looked in the last game, but I find it odd that they brought him up and immediately hopped him over Nino (except that our 4th line has been banging around pretty good as is.) Regardless, I'm hoping that they're communicating to Nino about what's expected of him and where they think he fits in the future as he meets those expectations.
With 5-on-5 secondary scoring still a problem, I'd like to see a bit more experimentation while Rolston is sitting in the press box. All lines outside of the JT line really should be open to some experimentation (though I'd test out one move at a time for a few games at a time.) Of course, it took them an enormous amount of time to realize that the original JT line needed a change for the sake of 5-on-5 play.
Thank you (said honestly, not sarcastically), glad I'm not just filling up HFBoards with a lot of words that nobody is reading. With that said, I am hoping to accomplish the feat of creating one post that takes up an entire thread page some day.
May as well add something...
I liked how Rhett looked in the last game, but I find it odd that they brought him up and immediately hopped him over Nino (except that our 4th line has been banging around pretty good as is.) Regardless, I'm hoping that they're communicating to Nino about what's expected of him and where they think he fits in the future as he meets those expectations.
With 5-on-5 secondary scoring still a problem, I'd like to see a bit more experimentation while Rolston is sitting in the press box. All lines outside of the JT line really should be open to some experimentation (though I'd test out one move at a time for a few games at a time.) Of course, it took them an enormous amount of time to realize that the original JT line needed a change for the sake of 5-on-5 play.
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Mitch
It took them an enormous amount of time to realize Rolston needed to be put on ice. I hope we see lots more of it. Rhet looked significantly better this go around. He's 5'10" and under 200 but plays bigger than most of the club. I didn't see any fear of traffic from him. Can't wait for the next game to see if it was Islander goggles or reality.
It took them an enormous amount of time to realize Rolston needed to be put on ice. I hope we see lots more of it. Rhet looked significantly better this go around. He's 5'10" and under 200 but plays bigger than most of the club. I didn't see any fear of traffic from him. Can't wait for the next game to see if it was Islander goggles or reality.
Let's not actually type Rolston or try to hide that we are and see if they forget he exists when making up the lineup.
I was actually rather impressed by Rhett's confidence handling the puck which I don't recall from the last time he was up here. Of course, that was for the whopping total of 2 games about a month apart last season.
Rolston deserves the "rest" and Rhett has been doing his due diligence in the AHL. He looked good. Let's hope we give him a chance to follow it up. If Rhett fails to stick, let's hope that Nino can somehow force his way into a bigger role. Even better than that, let's hope that the play of both of these kids makes it a hard decision on who gets to play where (while they force the coach into keeping Rolston in the press box.)
Rhett looks like a prototypical third line cog. I see some scoring but lots of buzz and energy.
I hope we're not asking to try him on line 1. I have zero doubt "_______" (insert Bridgeport farmhand, ANY one) is the guy some think should be on line 1, but I'm siding with Cappy on this - he wants guys to earn that spot and made one sacrifice to make a change that some called for.
PAP went down one line and Kyle went up one. It makes sense for Cappy so it works. It's not punishing PAP and rewardking Kyle but giving a little from line 1 to better line 2. This is a strategy play we've tried and failed on numerous times under Scrotum. Cappy? He nailed it. PAP has injected life into line 2's offense where it did not exist with Okposo and he managed to elevate Okposo's play with Tavares benefiting from a compliment to the line (grit and hustle).
Want to insert Rhakshani in? Why?
Rhett, Martin and Bailey is a third line I'd like to try to hopefully elevate Bailey (who is nothing on offense despite acclamations) and thus make line 3 work.
But hey, I'm a bit conservative. Martin also makes line 4 work, so why mess with his energy/hitting/BRILLIANT meddling (drawing penalties)? Maybe his work on line 4 helps develop Nino's physical game so put Wallace in there?
Rhett looks like a prototypical third line cog. I see some scoring but lots of buzz and energy.
I hope we're not asking to try him on line 1. I have zero doubt "_______" (insert Bridgeport farmhand, ANY one) is the guy some think should be on line 1, but I'm siding with Cappy on this - he wants guys to earn that spot and made one sacrifice to make a change that some called for.
PAP went down one line and Kyle went up one. It makes sense for Cappy so it works. It's not punishing PAP and rewardking Kyle but giving a little from line 1 to better line 2. This is a strategy play we've tried and failed on numerous times under Scrotum. Cappy? He nailed it. PAP has injected life into line 2's offense where it did not exist with Okposo and he managed to elevate Okposo's play with Tavares benefiting from a compliment to the line (grit and hustle).
Want to insert Rhakshani in? Why?
Rhett, Martin and Bailey is a third line I'd like to try to hopefully elevate Bailey (who is nothing on offense despite acclamations) and thus make line 3 work.
But hey, I'm a bit conservative. Martin also makes line 4 work, so why mess with his energy/hitting/BRILLIANT meddling (drawing penalties)? Maybe his work on line 4 helps develop Nino's physical game so put Wallace in there?
Rhett showed some pretty good hands. I wouldn't write him off as a prototypical 3rd liner so quickly. With that said, we're missing major pieces to glue any of these guys to. Namely, we need a 2nd line center with some ****ing size who is capable of 20 goals.
I'm hoping the KO/PAP change came about because they noticed that the JT line was poor at 5-on-5 hockey (especially against teams that could beat them up on the boards. KO's work along the boards and stronger skating are huge pluses to the 1st line.)
Line 1 is far better at 5-on-5 hockey since moving KO up. If the idea was to improve our secondary scoring, it still hasn't happened at 5-on-5.
Line 2 still isn't producing well at 5-on-5 hockey.
Line 3 has been used in more of a checking role of late. They're not producing at 5-on-5 either.
Line 4 isn't producing at 5-on-5.
January Goal Scoring Moulson-JT-KO "ES" Goals: 17 (70.8%) Everyone else at "ES": 7
ES Goals for January (including the "specials" like ENGs and 6-on-5)
Tavares 8
KO: 6
Grabner: 4 (2 ENGs for whatever it's worth; I didn't add everyone else's up, but I figured 50% was significant enough to mention it; his remaining 2 goals were scored with 2 different line combos)
Moulson: 3
Parenteau: 2 (1g at 6-on-5; again, 50% so it was worth mentioning)
Martin: 1
Bailey: 0 (2 SHGs though)
Nielsen: 0
Rolston: 0
Nino: 0
Pandolfo: 0
Wallace: 0
This team is still not getting solid secondary scoring at ES. I just want to make that utterly clear.
PAP's January Scoring (to finish what I started earlier in the PAP thread)
Phoenix 1/7
PP Secondary Assist to Nielsen
Detroit 1/10
PP Primary Assist to Moulson
Philly 1/12
ES Primary Assist to Tavares (with extra attacker on)
Buffalo 1/14
ES Primary Assist to Grabner
ES Secondary Assist to Grabner (ENG)
Washington 1/17
ES Goal (from Nielsen)
PP Goal (from Moulson & Nielsen)
Philly 1/19
PP Secondary Assist to Streit
ES Primary Assist to Grabner (ENG)
Carolina 1/21
ES Primary Assist to John Tavares (4-on-4 in OT)
Toronto 1/24
ES Unassisted Goal (6-on-5 as the extra attacker on a lucky bounce)
Carolina 1/31
PP Goal (from Tavares and Streit)
PP Secondary Assist to Moulson
Summary for January: 13 Games Played
ES Goals: 1
6-on-5 Goals: 1
PP Goals: 2
PP Primary Assists: 1
PP Secondary Assists: 3
Non-ENG 5-on-5 ES Primary Assists: 1
Non-ENG 6-on-5 Primary Assists: 1
Non-ENG 4-on-4 ES Primary Assists: 1
Non-ENG ES Secondary Assists: 0
ENG "ES" Primary Assists: 1
ENG "ES" Secondary Assists: 1
PAP's Non-special (no ENG, no 4-on-4, no 6-on-5) 5-on-5 stats: 1 goal / 1 assist in 13 games
Just wanted to show that PAP continues to excel at situations where he has more time and space to work with, but is still lacking as a 5-on-5 ES player. It's not just him though, our 2nd line is lacking size and board play once in the offensive zone. They get some chances on the rush and the occasional good shift where speed and momentum earns some chances. Still, poor makeup once in the offensive zone.
I'm hoping this shows that our biggest flaw is 2nd line center. That's the position where we can improve the most in. It also shows that our secondary scoring sucks pretty badly and that changes/improvements to those lines are worth exploring.
This team is ripe/begging for a trade, but yeah...
This. The NHL isn't where you learn the ropes. That's what juniors/college and the AHL is for. You play in the NHL when you're ready. There's a reason why most franchises in the NHL make their young prospect EARN a spot on the roster.
I kind of agree. I feel as if Bailey was rushed too soon and so has Nino IMO. Big time prospects should not be rushed. It does more harm then good imo. Nino is getting experiance and I just hope he turns out to be the player we think he can be.
I kind of agree. I feel as if Bailey was rushed too soon and so has Nino IMO. Big time prospects should not be rushed. It does more harm then good imo. Nino is getting experiance and I just hope he turns out to be the player we think he can be.
There is a big difference between bailey and nino. When Bailey came into the league he was our only real young talent. He was the beginning of our rebuild along with Okposo. At the end of his rookie season, we were feeding him 16-20 minutes a night. Now in his 4th season, he has yet to play a single game with over 20 minutes.
Nino on the other hand, is being sheltered a bit. He plays around 8-9 minutes a night. He's practicing every day with NHL players and learning to use his body in the corners. I think every great power forward should be a great checker first. If he can cycle the puck down low, protect it against the boards and learn to use his body getting sheltered minutes, I don't think it will hurt his development.
What was he going to do back in Junior? Dangle around 4 guys and snipe it top corner? That's not what we're going to need from Nino, nor what we should expect, at the NHL level. He'll be gritty, he'll use his body AND he'll still have the hands to finish once he's put on a scoring line where some space begins to open up.
I'm totally cool with Nino playing on our 4th line this season. So long as the coaches are talking to him, and he's not getting frustrated playing with tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum, he should pan out just fine.
There is a big difference between bailey and nino. When Bailey came into the league he was our only real young talent. He was the beginning of our rebuild along with Okposo. At the end of his rookie season, we were feeding him 16-20 minutes a night. Now in his 4th season, he has yet to play a single game with over 20 minutes.
Nino on the other hand, is being sheltered a bit. He plays around 8-9 minutes a night. He's practicing every day with NHL players and learning to use his body in the corners. I think every great power forward should be a great checker first. If he can cycle the puck down low, protect it against the boards and learn to use his body getting sheltered minutes, I don't think it will hurt his development.
What was he going to do back in Junior? Dangle around 4 guys and snipe it top corner? That's not what we're going to need from Nino, nor what we should expect, at the NHL level. He'll be gritty, he'll use his body AND he'll still have the hands to finish once he's put on a scoring line where some space begins to open up.
I'm totally cool with Nino playing on our 4th line this season. So long as the coaches are talking to him, and he's not getting frustrated playing with tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum, he should pan out just fine.
Great point.
Take a look at Seguin. In year one he was brought along similarly. His ice time was limited to pretty much checking line duty, because they wanted him to have to work hard and learn to play (somewhat)physical, responsible hockey before they put him in a top-6 role. Now the kid is one of the top young centers in the game. Hopefully Nino follows in his footsteps.
Take a look at Seguin. In year one he was brought along similarly. His ice time was limited to pretty much checking line duty, because they wanted him to have to work hard and learn to play (somewhat)physical, responsible hockey before they put him in a top-6 role. Now the kid is one of the top young centers in the game. Hopefully Nino follows in his footsteps.
Agreed. The situation is not optimal as he would have best been served in Juniors, but it is the right thing to do if he has to be in the NHL. Make damn sure he learns to be defensively responsible and get more accustomed to the pace of the NHL. He'll know what he needs to work on in the offseason and I think he'll be on the 3rd line next year. He's a big piece for the future, bringing him along slowly is wise, especially for a potential power forward.
I have to disagree with everyone in here regarding this season being good for him. In the end he is a scorer, and there is no way he walks away from this season anything but dejected. His confidence with the puck, shooting, etc., all of it will come away with a scar. You don't go from fat point totals to essentially nothing without it effecting you negatively. IMO, this season was a disaster for his development psychologically, and that is and always has been a big part of the game.
I have to disagree with everyone in here regarding this season being good for him. In the end he is a scorer, and there is no way he walks away from this season anything but dejected. His confidence with the puck, shooting, etc., all of it will come away with a scar. You don't go from fat point totals to essentially nothing without it effecting you negatively. IMO, this season was a disaster for his development psychologically, and that is and always has been a big part of the game.
This sums it up pretty well. At the end of the day this is a failed/lost season for one of our top two prospects.For all those saying Seguin is turning out great , that was after winning the ****ing cup not finishing in the bottom of the conference. Big difference mentally after those two very different seasons. For a team that must be built on prospects due to cheapness by Wang and Snow being inept. This year is pathetic for Nino and the organization that "re-built/tanked" a year to get him.
This sums it up pretty well. At the end of the day this is a failed/lost season for one of our top two prospects.For all those saying Seguin is turning out great , that was after winning the ****ing cup not finishing in the bottom of the conference. Big difference mentally after those two very different seasons. For a team that must be built on prospects due to cheapness by Wang and Snow being inept. This year is pathetic for Nino and the organization that "re-built/tanked" a year to get him.
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I get it Wang is "cheap"(even though the guy is losing MILLIONS year after year on this franchise), and Snow is inept(even though he has zero budget however still manages to consistently turns other team's trash into legit pieces of this team's core: PAP, Moulson, Grabner, Montoya/Nabokov, Streit), that said I just don't get all the **** talk directed at Nino.
Whether or not you agree with him playing at this level, the kid had nothing left to learn in the WHL. He essentially was a man playing among boys last year(not based on his age, but his size and pure physicality), so honestly it is hard to see the purpose of him spending yet another year there, considering it can only be one destination or the other.
As far as Seguin goes, you are saying the only reason he is turning out great is because his team won the Cup? The kid was brought along via baby steps the entire season, and then was unleashed in the playoffs. His success not only started BEFORE his team won the cup, but it is a huge reason WHY they won the Cup. Nino is learning the fundamentals playing 4th line hockey. He is working on refining all the other aspects of his game before he is put into a scoring role with more responsibility. Personally, I think this is a great way of developing a player who you feel is at the cusp of being a full-time NHL regular.
Also, LOL @ us tanking to get Nino. Do you even watch Islander games? Not every team that finishes in the bottom of the standings "tanks." I really can't wait until Nino breaks out, whether it's later this year or next year, to see what new topic/player you have chosen to ***** about.
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