Mark Pysyk for Mark McNeill

Cannonball0828 · 01-25-2012, 04:58 PM

Straight up trade. Seems to make sense for both franchises. Buffalo needs more center prospects and the Blackhawks need more D prospects. Value seems to be about even.

StalockSuperfan · 01-25-2012, 05:18 PM

I think Chicago has a need for centers too.

Homesick · 01-25-2012, 05:31 PM

I've watched both players pretty closely. I think its a pretty fair deal

Cannonball0828 · 01-25-2012, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Homesick

I've watched both players pretty closely. I think its a pretty fair deal

Curious to what you think of both players. Perhaps a pro comparison for them?

Evgeni Giroux · 01-25-2012, 05:45 PM

IDK, I love Psysk mistake free game. And I don't see why chicago would do it, if we wanted McNeill we could have just drafted him

Sevanston · 01-25-2012, 05:57 PM

Chicago needs defense now, but they don't really need defense prospects.

They desperately need big center prospects though, and McNeill is pretty much their only one.

dire wolf · 01-25-2012, 06:02 PM

Value seems about right. I hate to let go of Pysyk because I think he'll be a steady, smart NHL d-man, but we need center prospects badly. I suspect the Sabres brass didn't like something about McNeil because we didn't draft him.

Homesick · 01-25-2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannonball0828

Curious to what you think of both players. Perhaps a pro comparison for them?

Mark Pysyk - Mark Giordano
Mark McNeill - Chris* Gratton

After looking at this I thought of trying to find another Mark to go 4/4 but I stand by these comparisons

Bucky Gleason · 01-25-2012, 06:08 PM

I'd be happy with this deal. Sabres need centers like Charlie Sheen needs rehab.

Richiebottles · 01-25-2012, 07:11 PM

I think it would work for both teams. Although I feel that Mcneill has a higher ceiling than Pysyk.

sabresEH · 01-25-2012, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dire wolf

Value seems about right. I hate to let go of Pysyk because I think he'll be a steady, smart NHL d-man, but we need center prospects badly. I suspect the Sabres brass didn't like something about McNeil because we didn't draft him.

I think we didn't draft him becasue Armia was still on the board. If Armia was already taken I think we would have gone with McNeil. We went BPA instead of organizational need.

Homesick · 01-25-2012, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jessiman

I think it would work for both teams. Although I feel that Mcneill has a higher ceiling than Pysyk.

I agree, but Pysyk is more likely to reach his potential. McNeill has consistency issues

omglolnub · 01-25-2012, 07:27 PM

Buffalo happily accepts. At least I do, anyway

Richiebottles · 01-25-2012, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Homesick

I agree, but Pysyk is more likely to reach his potential. McNeill has consistency issues

Granted, but you look at his numbers in Juniors and compare them to Getzlaf's. They are similar. Actually, they are similar players, not saying he will be as good as Getzlaf...

Blackhawkswincup · 01-25-2012, 07:30 PM

Doesn't make much sense for Hawks

They have solid D prospects in Olsen , Johns , Holl and Clendening (Various types of dman with different styles)

Hawks need C depth longterm and McNeill seems to be a safe bet to fill some C role on Hawks in future (#2 C thru #4 C)

So Hawks would have to say no thanks

Richiebottles · 01-25-2012, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup

Doesn't make much sense for Hawks

They have solid D prospects in Olsen , Johns , Holl and Clendening (Various types of dman with different styles)

Hawks need C depth longterm and McNeill seems to be a safe bet to fill some C role on Hawks in future (#2 C thru #4 C)

So Hawks would have to say no thanks

But don't the Hawks have guys to fill that void too ? I guess it comes down to if they need Defensive depth over offensive depth.

Havok89 · 01-25-2012, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jessiman

Granted, but you look at his numbers in Juniors and compare them to Getzlaf's. They are similar. Actually, they are similar players, not saying he will be as good as Getzlaf...

Doesn't really mean anything. A lot of prospects had terrific numbers in juniors and didn't translate to the NHL.

Blackhawkswincup · 01-25-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jessiman

But don't the Hawks have guys to fill that void too ? I guess it comes down to if they need Defensive depth over offensive depth.

Hawks have

Keith and Seabrook signed for longterm deals , Hammer signed along with Montador and Leddy on NHL roster as well

Defensive prospects are of lower priority to Hawks at this stage compared to C prospects that is why Hawks have been drafting C's high in recent drafts

Blackhawkswincup · 01-25-2012, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Havok89

Doesn't really mean anything. A lot of prospects had terrific numbers in juniors and didn't translate to the NHL.

You can say same about dmen like Pysyk who's so called safe game and upside never amount to much either

All prospects are ? until they prove they can play in NHL

Havok89 · 01-25-2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup

You can say same about dmen like Pysyk who's so called safe game and upside never amount to much either

All prospects are ? until they prove they can play in NHL

Uhh yeah? I never mentioned McNeill. I said junior numbers don't always translate.

KanetoToews2883 · 01-25-2012, 09:13 PM

I agree with BWC, this trade doesn't make sense for the Blackhawks. We need a 2nd pairing dman in the now, not a future one. We've got 2-3 1st/2nd pairing potentially dmen that are years away, Clendening, Johns, Olsen, Holl, to a lesser extent Lalonde (if he continues to develop).

The Hawks have a good deep system right now that they need to just sit on.

LatvianTwist · 01-25-2012, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by StalockSuperfan

I think Chicago has a need for centers too.

With Toews and possibly Kane as your #1-2 centers, no. Plus, there's Pirri, Hayes, and Kruger still.

They've got some good D prospects, but could really use a guy like Pysyk to help solidify their future (again, not that they need to with Seabrook, Keith, and Hjalmarsson).

I like this. Seems fair for both clubs.

Havok89 · 01-25-2012, 09:35 PM

Any interest in Leopold? Guy's been great for Buffalo, but I'd rather trade him for a draft pick/prospect and tank further in the standings.

KanetoToews2883 · 01-25-2012, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Havok89

Any interest in Leopold? Guy's been great for Buffalo, but I'd rather trade him for a draft pick/prospect and tank further in the standings.

I don't know if he can fill the type of SAH 2nd pairing role that the Hawks need. But maybe... He might be a nice acquistion depending on the price of course... Roy probably has more interest...

KanetoToews2883 · 01-25-2012, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LatvianTwist

With Toews and possibly Kane as your #1-2 centers, no. Plus, there's Pirri, Hayes, and Kruger still.

They've got some good D prospects, but could really use a guy like Pysyk to help solidify their future (again, not that they need to with Seabrook, Keith, and Hjalmarsson).

I like this. Seems fair for both clubs.

Say it with me, Kane is not a Centre. He plays RW... The experiment of Kaner at C was short lived and mixed results.