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01-19-2012, 11:35 AM
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Is this too much for Weber?

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Trade 1

To Nashville:

Alex Edler
Cody Hodgson
Nicklas Jansen
Chris Tanev
'12 1st
'13 1st

To Vancouver:

Shea Weber

But nucks fans saying it's way too much.

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01-19-2012, 11:47 AM
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they keep the sisters, kesler, burrows... and add Weber? how is ANYTHING overpayment in that scenario?

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Trade 1

To Nashville:

Alex Edler
Cody Hodgson
Nicklas Jansen
Chris Tanev
'12 1st
'13 1st

To Vancouver:

Shea Weber

But nucks fans saying it's way too much.
of course it is. but then again, Weber isnt going to be traded so whatever....

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Trade 1

To Nashville:

Alex Edler
Cody Hodgson
Nicklas Jansen
Chris Tanev
'12 1st
'13 1st

To Vancouver:

Shea Weber

But nucks fans saying it's way too much.
Yeah, that's a lot, but with Weber going nowhere, that's the only way Poile listens.

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01-19-2012, 12:08 PM
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For Shea FREAKIN Weber, I don't think that's enough.

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01-19-2012, 01:15 PM
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probably overpayment. but if you want weber, this is what it will take to get poile TO JUST LISTEN.

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01-19-2012, 01:41 PM
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Ummmm, most Canuck fans think anything that isn't hosing the other team is overpayment.
Mention Kesler in the deal and see how they react.

Weber's going nowhere.

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01-19-2012, 02:04 PM
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Seems too much to me. I think Hodgson+Edler+a pick is pretty fair in terms of value, and most Canucks fans hate that proposal, so not surprised they'd balk at this one. Rather not trade Weber though...even if the return is a complete rip-off of the team in question, it still just won't seem like enough.

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01-19-2012, 02:22 PM
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It doesn't look to be "too much," in the sense of ridiculous hosing over-payment, but for Nashville, I'd take a "lesser" F prospect (Rodin) over the D prospect (Tanev). I'd expect/want Edler, Hodgson, 2012 first, Jensen, Rodin, 2013 first.

Edler has to come back to replace Weber's minutes. Hodgson is their top prospect, and has to be coming this way as well. Jensen and Rodin are solid prospects that would fit right into the Nashville system (especially Rodin), and are #2 and #6 on their prospects chart, respectively. The 2012 and 2013 firsts is still firsts, even if they are 30th overall.

Tanev isn't necessary, and I'm not really that high on him anyway, especially not with the amount of young defensive prospects the Predators already have lurking for spots. I know it's about getting their 3 "top" prospects, but when one of them doesn't fit the system, and another that does is ranked "lower," but would have more of a possible future with the Preds, I target him instead.

Let's also not sell-short the package coming back from Vancouver. Edler is a legit top-3 D on most teams in the league and would at least adequately replace Weber's minutes. Hodgson is their top prospect, and has looked very good at times this year. Jensen and Rodin coming with Hodgson means getting 3 of their top 4 forward prospects (and for a team already stacked up front, makes more sense for them as well), and two late first-rounders. It's a hefty price for Vancouver that they would hate to see go, and I'm sure some Nashville fans would think they'd get more, but it's a great package and I'd be thrilled to see that as the return. Would also open up a wealth of possibilities, including resigned Suter+Edler for cheaper than a Weber+Suter pair would be, allowing them to target a Zach Parise in the off-season as well.

Natural Left-wings: Kostitsyn
Natural Centers: Wilson, Smith, Legwand, Fisher, Spaling, Smithson, Hodgson
Natural Right-wings: Hornqvist, Erat, Halischuk, Tootoo, Yip
Defenseman: Edler, Suter, Blum, Josi, Ellis, Klein, Hillen, Cube

Farm system adds Rodin and Jensen, plus 2 more 1st-round picks. Cap space to add a Parise-level player in the off-season on top. Team doesn't take a substantial hit this season (in my opinion; Hodgson+Edler can replace Weber, as much as we all would hate to think of it), and gets pretty substantially better in the future with two more great F prospects and 2 more first-round picks. Only piece that goes missing from the Predators current roster is Weber, who given the enormity of this package, I'd do this deal, and pretty easily.

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01-19-2012, 02:41 PM
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Seems too much to me. I think Hodgson+Edler+a pick is pretty fair in terms of value, and most Canucks fans hate that proposal, so not surprised they'd balk at this one. Rather not trade Weber though...even if the return is a complete rip-off of the team in question, it still just won't seem like enough.
I think that is a pretty awful proposal. I also think the initial proposal is pretty awful.

This is not a rebuilding team. Hodgson does nothing for this offense. Edler is not even a close comparable to Weber in terms of talent, on ice production, and leadership. Weber is a game-breaker. Edler is a good defensemen. Huge difference. The picks are all but valueless to a team that has cup aspirations.

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01-19-2012, 05:40 PM
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Agree with Enoch.
Not certain Nucks are our best trading partners for either Weber or Suter, frankly. As previously stated, need a young top 3 roster player, better than average roster D coming back plus the picks. If you think that is too much, you are ignoring history. Would anyone take Pronger with his injuries and age today over Weber in his prime? Weber beats Pronger hands down-- about the only D more desirable would be Chara.

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01-19-2012, 05:43 PM
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We need to find a better trade partner than Vancouver. Sure it sounds nice because Weber is from BC but I just don't like it for either him or Suter. On that note, I'm warming up to the idea of just trading Suter and keeping Weber. Obviously everyone has been debating it forever here, so one's opinion on that topic isn't exactly breaking news, but I think I'm officially on that side of the fence.

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01-19-2012, 08:26 PM
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Canuck fan here, and dont take offense because I know nothing could make you want to part with Webber, but some of these comments are a bit odd. Cody Hodgson is the 3rd most talented offensive player on the Nucks. Its not even close. He will take over as the #1 center and captain once Henrik winds down. Keep in mind this is one of the top offensive teams in the league over the last couple of years, and every single person who follows the team can see that Cody has special gifts in both elite passing vision and sniping. Edler + Cody + 1st is exactly the kind of package that should get your GM listening, although I know its not going to happen.


That being said, I really appreciate your franchise, its players and its fans, and am rooting for you guys to not only retain Suter & Weber, but to add some offense. The playoffs last year were very fun against you guys, and your home games with the celebs in the crowd made for very entertaining TV and its the kind of thing that the NHL should adertise.

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Nashville and Vancouver are my two favorite teams, and I'd think this deal is an overpayment by the Canucks (and Weber is my favorite defenseman).

Edler is going to the All-Star game this year, he's young and improving, has got size, strength, mobility, can hit like a beast, has a cannon of a shot, and when on his game is an absolute game-changer. He's not as consistent as Weber when it comes to being a game-changer and lacks the leadership, but in terms of playing ability, worst case scenario you get a top 3 defenseman on the team, on his game, he's as good as anybody.

Hodgson was drafted 9th overall in a deep draft year, dominated the CHL and WJC's, is projecting into a solid 20-30 goal scorer, is defensively responsible and is by all accounts captain material. It's not his fault he's behind Henrik Sedin and Ryan Kesler so doesn't get the kind of ice-time he would otherwise have, but he was picked to go to the All-Star rookie skills competition this year. He's overcome a couple injuries which delayed his breakout, but it's pretty clear it's happening now.

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/D...931/story.html

Tanev was an undrafted rookie the Canucks called up last year...and kept him right through the Stanley Cup playoffs, right through Game 7. He's an NHL player without a doubt, it's just a matter of the Canucks having too many one-way contracts on defense and Tanev being the easiest to send down without waivers.

Jensen, no one knows, but he projects well, and he was signed right out of training camp, something the Canucks rarely do with our draft picks.

Rodin, dunno, I was excited about him, but it's getting a while for him to show something solid.

2 1st-round picks, mehp, they'll likely be late-round picks but a 1st round anytime is not nothing...two of them, well.

Trades aren't measured by who the Canucks still keep (Sedins, Kesler, Luongo, etc) but rather what Nashville gets. To get a top 2/3 defenseman with growth potential on an affordable contract, a young centre who would in all likelihood be challenging to be the No.1 centre for Nashville for several years to come who brings the character and defensive responsibility Trotz likes, plus two prospect forwards, an all but guaranteed defenseman prospect and two first round picks, it's a solid deal.

If I were Nashville, I'd think something like Parise is a better fit, but that's not the same thing as saying the package here is an underpayment for Weber. Like most, I just think Nashville and Vancouver aren't the best fits to trade. If Gillis did this deal, I'd egg his house myself. (Well, not really.)

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Yes, this is massive overpayment.

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Not by a lot, but its too much. Too much of our future is given up if we include Edler and Hodgson. Hodgson has 1st line C potential - Edler is an allstar. Tanev, Jensen, are each worth 1sts, plus we give up 2 more 1sts.

Alex Edler
Cody Hodgson
+ any 2 of:

Nicklas Jensen
Chris Tanev
'12 1st
'13 1st

I could live with that. Maybe throw in a mid rounder or a couple.

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Not by a lot, but its too much. Too much of our future is given up if we include Edler and Hodgson. Hodgson has 1st line C potential - Edler is an allstar. Tanev, Jensen, are each worth 1sts, plus we give up 2 more 1sts.

Alex Edler
Cody Hodgson
+ any 2 of:

Nicklas Jensen
Chris Tanev
'12 1st
'13 1st

I could live with that. Maybe throw in a mid rounder or a couple.
I really think a package of Edler, Hodgson, '12 first, '13 first, '12 second would be about as good as anyone would realistically offer, and I'd be thrilled with that return, quite honestly.

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I think that is a pretty awful proposal. I also think the initial proposal is pretty awful.

This is not a rebuilding team. Hodgson does nothing for this offense. Edler is not even a close comparable to Weber in terms of talent, on ice production, and leadership. Weber is a game-breaker. Edler is a good defensemen. Huge difference. The picks are all but valueless to a team that has cup aspirations.
Just a small point, the rookie Cody Hodgson, over the last 16 games, has 7G + 7A for 14 points. He has taken flight (and meeting original expectations)...pretty much a PPG player now for over a month...

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JAN 17 '12 LAK @ VAN011100010.01812:0620.00
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Sorry to jack the thred, but I figure Preds fans are pretty sick of Weber trade threads. I posted this on the philly board and was curious what you thought:

To Philly: Shea Weber
To Nashville: JVR, Voracek, Meszaros

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Sorry to jack the thred, but I figure Preds fans are pretty sick of Weber trade threads. I posted this on the philly board and was curious what you thought:

To Philly: Shea Weber
To Nashville: JVR, Voracek, Meszaros
substitute courterier for jvr

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ditto...jvr is lazy.

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Rather keep Weber outright, regardless of any proposal of equal value.
Just my $.02 though.

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Just a small point, the rookie Cody Hodgson, over the last 16 games, has 7G + 7A for 14 points. He has taken flight (and meeting original expectations)...pretty much a PPG player now for over a month...

GP
.G..A.Pts+/-PIMPPGSHGShtsS%SHIFTSTOIFO%
JAN 21 '12 SJS @ VAN*2021000450.01913:3562.50
JAN 17 '12 LAK @ VAN011100010.01812:0620.00
JAN 15 '12 ANA @ VAN1010010250.02015:3737.50
JAN 12 '12 VAN @ STL000-100010.01712:3925.00
JAN 10 '12 VAN @ TBL01100000 2216:4120.00
JAN 9 '12 VAN @ FLA000-100030.02114:3571.43
JAN 7 '12 VAN @ BOS*1120010333.32211:1953.33
JAN 4 '12 MIN @ VAN000020020.01710:4214.29
JAN 2 '12 SJS @ VAN1121010250.01713:3750.00
DEC 31 '11 VAN @ LAK000-10000 1813:290.00
DEC 29 '11 VAN @ ANA1011000250.01611:2742.86
DEC 28 '11 VAN @ SJS00000000 1710:420.00
DEC 26 '11 EDM @ VAN011100010.01410:2675.00
DEC 23 '11 CGY @ VAN011000010.01611:0840.00
DEC 21 '11 DET @ VAN1010000250.0139:0266.67
DEC 19 '11 MIN @ VAN011100030.02215:4883.33
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All this on the third-line no less. I think if Nashville could get Hodgson, he'd provide an immediate bump to the top-six offensive potential with nothing but growth to spare. He's also got loads of leadership ability and would fit into the Nashville community-focused team pretty well. Only concern is that he's not very big or fast, but he is scary smart with a sick shot.

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I'd trade Weber for Kesler+1st pick, but that won't happen.

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I'd trade Weber for Kesler+1st pick, but that won't happen.
Canuck fan. I would almost rather trade Kesler than Hodgson.

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